Seeing as there seems to be no admins...

**Lweek** · July 4th, 2005, 11:15 PM

I spent many years to admin similar comunity site, and got a lot of experince with similar events. All of them was solved in peace and to suited both.

People cannot judge by first look. Yes, this looks like harrasment but it's maybe not so bad as it looks. If you say he's guilty without any close look, it's like in middle age. This really have to be solve privately and if admins are not accessible, you can ask moderators to help somehow. She have to prove that he did harrassment and he can apologize.

However, that's is REALLY NOT OUR BUSINESS to judge. In my eyes, this is vulgar, stupid and moral-less and everyone who judge without prove may blush. And really no matter if admins can react or not. Again, it's not our business.

**Lweek** · July 4th, 2005, 11:19 PM

And about remove services. This is mostly easiest way, but if it's right solution it's very discutabble. If I'm admin I would update PM to make it more useabble. For example they include some optional "word filter" to prove such messages. Again, IMHO, removing services is no really inteligent solution, but easiest.

**Dare** · July 4th, 2005, 11:39 PM

People always have the option of disabling their own individual PMs so that no one can PM you...and they also have the option of Ignoring people.
It wouldn't be fair to remove the PM feature...at least not from all of us. Why punish everyone for the crime of one?
I'm not sure if there's a way to individually go in and remove one person's PM privs though...I'm not familiar with the admin functions of vBulletin.

**Juniper** · July 5th, 2005, 12:53 AM

Originally posted by Lweek

However, that's is REALLY NOT OUR BUSINESS to judge. In my eyes, this is vulgar, stupid and moral-less and everyone who judge without prove may blush. And really no matter if admins can react or not. Again, it's not our business.

How is it not our business? Neph came to us, in her own way, with a sexual harrassment problem. Neph found a way to solve the problem by making sure something (the posts, not the person) creepy and perverted was known to the entire forum. Now that we know, it's the jobs of the mods and the members themselves to decide what kind of forum we want. Do we want a forum that is harrassing? Do we want a forum that welcome sexually oriented material? Is this the kind of actions we want on a forum with friggin' kids? This isn't a matter of an annoyance or a personal squabble, it's worse.

I'm bad at explaining what I mean sometimes, so I'll use an example. If someone comes up to you and tells you that someone they hardly know felt them up after they repeatedly told them to go away, would you tell them that it's not your business? Would you say the same thing to the people of the community if there was a court hearing? Would you tell the courts themselves that it wasn't their business? What if that someone that was abused was in your family? I consider neph part of a broad extended family (internet family

), and I look out for family. Thus, it's my business.

**Lion King Stu** · July 5th, 2005, 12:55 AM

well Lweek hes got ya there pretty much i think dude.
Well said Pnt that was explained quite well

kudos to ya.
I don't want a forum like that..smutty

**unregistered user** · July 5th, 2005, 01:19 AM

Pnt explained it perfectly. I must say that Lea has become a very sad place if our mindset is 'It's none of our business'. Sexual Harassment is a CRIME!

Frankly I think Lea is WAY too sensitive of other people's feelings. Sometimes that can be a good thing, but for a while now it has really been a nuisance. And when it gets to the point that people are worried more about the suspect(Phantom) than the victim(Neph).. I must say I'm very sickened! It disturbs me, it seriously does.

Get a backbone, that's my message to this forum. It's a great quality to care about others, but not to this point. Seriously. Pnt made a great point a while back about this actually. That he had to write 'I didn't mean any offense to anyone on a personal level' or something to that effect after each of his posts.

We shouldn't have to do that. All things in moderation, even kindness, as this thread has proven <<

Edit: *edited for spelling errors*

**Prince Simba** · July 5th, 2005, 06:22 AM

While it's agreeable that it's everybody's business, I don't see why we're arguing about whose business it is and why we're not arguing about what to do about all this. Then again, the only problem with that is that Lea is technically in a state of anarchy.

Perhaps we should create a peoples' government in Mufasa & Sarabi's absence and lay down our own laws or something.

It is generally agreed that sexual harassment is a crime. Crime merits punishment.

Perhaps the mods should get together and discuss this. I would suggest a punishment system based upon the severity of a crime. I've only tested vBulletin before and I don't know exactly what powers Mufasa has given the mods, but surely they can do something.

If things start to get really bad, it might be possible to contact the admins. Now I don't know if any of this information is up to date, but a WHOIS lookup of leahalalela.com gives addresses & a couple phone numbers. Out of privacy and respect, I'm not going to post any info here, but if anybody's interested they could try to contact Mufasa and/or Sarabi.

http://www.godaddy.com/gdshop/whois.asp

Just type in leahalalela and then on the next page type in the antispam confirmation.

**nafklt** · July 5th, 2005, 06:27 AM

Hey cool... I wonder if Mufasa still lives in Langley, I live like 20 minutes from him..:P

**unregistered user** · July 5th, 2005, 08:56 AM

Originally posted by Ravoc
Pnt explained it perfectly. I must say that Lea has become a very sad place if our mindset is 'It's none of our business'. Sexual Harassment is a CRIME!

Yes. like Pnt and Ravoc says: Sexual Harrasment is a CRIME...

**Ruska** · July 5th, 2005, 09:47 AM

Amused much.

No, not really any of my concern since I don't come here so often anymore. [SIZE=small]Online Drama!!111!![/SIZE]

**unregistered user** · July 5th, 2005, 09:57 AM

yes.. and Free Pop Corn

**Ruska** · July 5th, 2005, 10:06 AM

Originally posted by Guntur
yes.. and Free Pop Corn

Dude. Not cool. </spam>

**Lion King Stu** · July 5th, 2005, 10:50 AM

yeh sorry Zack dude you Spam way to much dude...and its not a very good idea spaming in this thred since well its got nowt to do with the situation....and its not funny.
Srry bro but Ruska is right. Not kool bro...not kool.

**Mizani** · July 5th, 2005, 11:47 AM

Originally posted by pntbll248
There has to be a compromise between the two groups; I don't like the randomness on the forum, some other member genuinely think it's fun. Because there's no admins for the forum right now, howabout the members who love randomness just all get together and make their own forum. If anyone needs help with Invision Powerboards (setting them up), I'd be happy to help set one up for you. Then you can be as random as you want on that forum and the members of lea who don't like spam are happy too, as long as you keep it off here. Or, the members who don't like spam could make/move to another forum and have all the great conversations we want to have without the annoyance of "OMG!!11Qq I'M A TOENAIL!!1!.!>" every post.

Well most of my randomness is actually spur of the moment stuff, so I wouldn't go on a forum just to spam. There are however (as I mentioned earlier) TWO threads that are made for the exact purpose of spam and randomness. I don't know why people don't use them. I thought Utora's thread that had no topic should be used for spammers and people who have bouts of randomness.

**IchLiebeNALA** · July 5th, 2005, 12:17 PM

i'll be honest, my forum is a place for randomness.

see my profile if you want the address

EDIT: I just thought i'd say i'm not taking this as a place to advertise, but i just think that the randomness should be kept for appropiate places.

**Mizani** · July 5th, 2005, 12:34 PM

Originally posted by IchLiebeNALA
i'll be honest, my forum is a place for randomness.

see my profile if you want the address

EDIT: I just thought i'd say i'm not taking this as a place to advertise, but i just think that the randomness should be kept for appropiate places.

Yes, I was just about to suggest that Dan.

I agree that Dan's forum is a good place for a random convosation with people about things unrelated to TLK. What do you expect from a place called "Anything Goes" forum?

**IchLiebeNALA** · July 5th, 2005, 12:54 PM

and if you do decide to register, vote for Lucy in the Admin Polls

(that be Lucy Lioness, but she isnt registered as that on the forum)

**ChildOfThePride** · July 5th, 2005, 01:06 PM

You know what? You guys don't even know if Phantom's joking or not, and Neph was COMPLETELY wrong in posting this thread. God, that sickens me. How do you know he's a pervert and not just joking around?

Let me explain. Phantom MAY have Asperger's Syndrome, a condition under the umbrella of autism. This disorder (I'm about 90% sure I have it) isn't as bad as autism, but they often have a different sense of humor or way of dealing with things than others.

Take me for example. I tend to take death very lightly. If it's someone I know, I'll be polite and not make jokes or if it was a tragic accident (like that one Mission Space kid), but if it's something that's too freaking ironic (like the guy in the Pluto costume) I'm gonna laugh my butt off.

I don't know if that's the way Phantom is (only substitute 'sexual harrassment' with 'death'), but I pretty much guarantee he was joking.

I found nothing wrong with the PM, which iether means I'm a huge frigging idiot, or you all are overreacting.

**Mabatu** · July 5th, 2005, 01:26 PM

It really doesn't matter about whether this was a joke, and whether 'Phantom' himself thought it was serious or not. The point is, sexual harrassment is not acceptable anywhere, and especially not acceptable on a TLK board. 'Phantom' could claim to have Asperger's syndrome all he likes, but this is the internet, and for all i know that could be a lie.

If suddenly it was ok for people to break the rules, as long as they say they only do it because they have Asperger's, then how would Lea end up?

Besides, i know of a few other members who also claim to have Asperger's (and i have no reason to doubt them), including you ChildOfThePride, but nobody has ever behaved like 'Phantom' has. If they can control themselves, then there's no reason why 'Phantom' can't either.

Btw, if it was unclear before, i think Nephilim's decision to make this public was a great decision. There was no other way to deal with this situation, since there are no admins available. And now we all know what 'Phantom' is truly like, and can decide whether we really want to know a person like him.

This thread has existed for a while, and so far he hasn't tried to sincerely apologise to anyone, so i think it's clear what kind of person he is.

**IchLiebeNALA** · July 5th, 2005, 01:28 PM

well, maybe he saw it as a joke, and doesnt feel the need to apologise

EDIT: I think it was:

Originally posted by PhantomBPR
Hey Neph, if you didn't like it why didn't you say something, it was a joke I meant nothing against you if you took it that way, jeez I thought you were someone I could joke with.

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