Hunting? The Big Problem

[Kovu The Lion]

So it seems people here have a problem with hunting, Basically because there seems to be certain people around the world that do it for fun.

However if you do any slight comparisons, Don't you at all do things you like to do, For FUN? Going into there eyes and yours you get the same outcome, A good time.

People say they hate hunters, because it kills things.

So what about Fishermen? They kill fish, But it seems no one..Ever..Cares..? Is it because fish are ugly and not very lovable and cuddly?

What about Slaughtering Houses, Poor cows go through the worst treatment ever probably? No one cares, We just continue to eat steak?

Lions attack and maul deer, strangle them, cut off their circulation. Then eat them, Sometimes to leave the bodies half-eaten for others to eat, Pretty much in their language "lets throw it away".

Yet when a human goes to do nearly the same thing(but mind you with a gun) to an antelope, it seems Organizations with people liking animals around the world go crazy because of the dispute.

Sure the Lion is only eating it to stay alive, But look, The antelope STILL DIED. No big difference in my own opinion, It's like commiting a crime, it doesnt matter how you did it, Something bad STILL happened.

And hey,

Lion's hunt all the time Why can't I? x)
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So I want to know from Furries/Non-Furries/Anyone on this forum.

Why do you hate/like Hunting/Fishing in general?

By the by,

If this thread gets locked, and/or deleted. Just because it causes arguments, I'd like you to delete just about every thread alongside this one in this forums.

Just because one or two people tend to ruin a good discussion for others doesnt mean I, nor others would possibly like to talk about it.

Basically meaning, I'm talking to Two people and they KNOW who they are.

EDIT: Yes I know I'm probably going to suffer stupid consequences for this, But until I see a Blantant rule saying "Omfg we can't have hunting threads D:!" I will make one.


Kovu

[Forest Freak]

Originally posted by Kovu The Lion
So it seems people here have a problem with hunting, Basically because there seems to be certain people around the world that do it for fun.

However if you do any slight comparisons, Don't you at all do things you like to do, For FUN? Going into there eyes and yours you get the same outcome, A good time.

People say they hate hunters, because it kills things.

So what about Fishermen? They kill fish, But it seems no one..Ever..Cares..? Is it because fish are ugly and not very lovable and cuddly?

What about Slaughtering Houses, Poor cows go through the worst treatment ever probably? No one cares, We just continue to eat steak?

Lions attack and maul deer, strangle them, cut off their circulation. Then eat them, Sometimes to leave the bodies half-eaten for others to eat, Pretty much in their language "lets throw it away".

Yet when a human goes to do nearly the same thing(but mind you with a gun) to an antelope, it seems Organizations with people liking animals around the world go crazy because of the dispute.

Sure the Lion is only eating it to stay alive, But look, The antelope STILL DIED. No big difference in my own opinion, It's like commiting a crime, it doesnt matter how you did it, Something bad STILL happened.

And hey,

Lion's hunt all the time Why can't I? x)
....

So I want to know from Furries/Non-Furries/Anyone on this forum.

Why do you hate/like Hunting/Fishing in general?

By the by,

If this thread gets locked, and/or deleted. Just because it causes arguments, I'd like you to delete just about every thread alongside this one in this forums.

Just because one or two people tend to ruin a good discussion for others doesnt mean I, nor others would possibly like to talk about it.

Basically meaning, I'm talking to Two people and they KNOW who they are.

Kovu

That kinda sums up how I feel, I was real confused yesterday when everyone seemed so against hunting.

[Aurelian]

That kinda sums up how I feel, I was real confused yesterday when everyone seemed so against hunting.

Not everybody. Do you know what the "furrie fandom" is? People from it tend to gather around anything TLK, as TLK was a large part of what created the fandom. Nobody meant to insult you for being a hunter, they were just showing a bit of discomfort for how freely you mentioed it. I know I did. Never meant to offend you, though.

I am only posting to say that I think KTL may have found a good solution to the whole hunting issue. This is the best forum to make a single thread in, so it can be discussed without it turning into a fight, per say. You could say the abortion thread is a fight, but it is watched and contained to prevent chaos. I believe it could work with hunting to, as long as specific lifestyles are not insulted. And that goes for both sides. We just need to limit it to this for now.

As for me, I am obstaining for commenting on hunting for the moment.

[Kovu The Lion]

Originally posted by SimbaTheLion
When I have fun, I don't do it by bringing harm to other creatures.

There are so many other ways to enjoy yourself than hunting. Why choose one that destroys other creatures and/or their habitats?

What about Industrialization? We destroy forests, Swamps, and tens of thousands of spots to create supermarkets, residentail areas, and no one really cared to bother to stop them (only a few incidents, such as national parks and recreational centers)

I just dont see the problem for hunting if you're doing it for a living, Indians did it to sell fur for trade, meat for food,

Some people today sell the meat to others, and EVEN EAT IT, (Deer meat is good ) People of today also sell the fur..

[Kovu The Lion]

But do you know why we can't? Russians would rather die first then let people move onto there motherland

Industrialization is essential to the process of humans, without it, we would still be cavemen, and/or rural farmers ;_:

[Kovu The Lion]

Originally posted by SimbaTheLion
Of course ^_^ , but there comes a point where it gets a bit ridiculous! If every family in China today decided they wanted a car, it would use up every bit of coal we know of in the world. So actually, industrialisation could be what inevitably wipes us out, due to sheer lack of resources.

As with most things, it's not too bad, in moderation at least!

And, mmm, there are some nice Russians ...

Quite possibly, But in China most area's are rural, and not many places have roads and places suitable for cars(other than the urban areas) and i'm not sure but.. I think you have to be at least 18 to even drive a car there.. xD

[Titunen]

Wasn't this kind of threads supposed to be forbidden?

[Kovu The Lion]

Originally posted by SimbaTheLion
It's amazing to think (assuming you're correct) that most areas are rural when there are well over a billion people living there. Certainly shows that it's not entirely necessary to industrialise anywhere near everywhere to support a huge number of people.

As for being required to be 18 to drive, that's not too different to here. We have to be 17 to start driving.

Yes but on the fact, You then have to look at there lifestyles, which .. No offense some are very poor, Most living in shacks on farms with barely anything to eat (ethiopians i'd guess?)

As for you Tit, Shouldn't you be back in your shadow hiding instead of starting things?

Better yet, Why promote spam? Such as you are doing because of your "offtopic" comment,

Try not breaking one rule while preserving another

[Aurelian]

Originally posted by Titunen
Wasn't this kind of threads supposed to be forbidden?

Call it an experiment for finding a solution. We just need to think about what we post before we post it, and keep it at the level of "debate". Hopefully, by keeping the subject in one controle thread, we can keep the particpints in line, and controel any flaming. As long as the mods agree and cooperate, that is.

[Pnt]

I have no problem with responsible hunting, I just ask that the person use what they kill.

On the matter of slums and poor rural areas, there may be quite a few people living in non-urban cities, but that doesn't mean it's good for the environment. Most major cities around the world have environmental rules and regulations; you can't* just dump a bottle of motor oil on the street in most cities/countries. Waste that is disposed of almost always gets treated in some way. In slums, a person isn't bound to this. Hazardous chemicals, oils, plastics, flammables, fecal matter, etc.. are some of the biggest problems in these areas.

*I edited this from "Can" to "Can't"; I intended "Can't"

[A-non-a-mus]

I'm a hunter, and I like to hunt... I don't always have to use a gun, nor arrows ... in fact sometimes I hunt winth nothing more than a hunting knife, or bare hands... it's really fun to do that accually.. and rewarding too for how mny can say "I caught this by hand"... Though, most of the time hunting doesn't require a shot to be fired. I tend to like to hunt and when I get as close as I can, instead of taking down the said creature, a close, snapshot will do... (got a few of my older photos stolen though) I also like to hunt for unique seashells and rocks when at the coast. Hunting's fun. Hide and seek is hunting too ... Hunting's fun... but hunting also helps enviroments, something that many against hunting tend to overlook... if we didn't hunt the enviroment would suffer too. Hunters don't hunt animals that are too thin ... only when they are plentiful...

On the topic of slaughter houses and such, well I'm sure they don't object to it, because they know if there were none then more and more would be forced to be hunters... The ratio between humans and animals is quite big, and if humans all had to hunt, it would devistate the animals' numbers... which is why we have slaughter houses in the first place... if we didn't have slaughter houses and all had to hunt, billions of human lives would be lost. We're omivores afterall, there's nutrients in meat that we need to be healthy (like vitamin b12 ... only also found in soy)

it's kind of a balance that is fragile and ever going... some will hunt others see no fun in it and therefore easily go against... like the game of tag... those who play tag like to play tag... it's fun to them.. if someone hated tag, reguardless of they not playing it will speak out against it. Tries to kill the fun for those who like it in their own reasoning...

It'll never end both ways...

as you can see, I'm open to both sides while choosing none to perticularly stand on the side of... but I just know I like to hunt and will only hunt when the prey is plentiful enough. When they arn't or I run across one, I'd still like to be able to get a good picture at least.

[lion_roog]

I've read that hunting helps certain animals by making sure they have land to live on in areas where human population is growing and demanding more land. Mainly in Africa, I believe. The hunting brings in money, so the villiages in the area see it as beneficial to preserve the land and the animals due to their value. Other wise the land would be threatened by human growth and certain animals killed due to their threat to farmers in the area.

[Dare]

Russia and China may appear to have a lot of space, but they also have environmental issues of their own - both are currently dealing with deforestation, air pollution, water pollution, soil contamination, etc... increased industrialization has contributed to these problems...and let's not forget those countries' endangered species as well.**

Basically, they have the same problems we have where I live...and I fear they may have the same mindset as the developers I know here have as well.
"One more acre won't make a difference".
One acre turns into two, two turns into two hundred.
Industrializing rural areas may help local economies, but it's not so great for Mother Earth - it only spreads the problem.

Roog - I remember hearing something about that too...wasn't there a thread awhile back on how regulated lion hunting may actually help preserve them? *search search*

*edit*
They're talking about cloning animals for meat (cloned steak anyone?)...I wonder if they'd ever consider cloning animals for hunting?



**As I do not live in either of these countries, do not take my word for gospel...this is just what I read on the The World Factbook.

[lion_roog]

Originally posted by Wicked


*edit*
They're talking about cloning animals for meat (cloned steak anyone?)...I wonder if they'd ever consider cloning animals for hunting?

In the future, when we're living out in space, I would prefer my meat (or Space-meat as I like to call it) to be home grown on trees...Space-Meat-Trees... That way you can just go right up to the tree and pick off yourself a space-burger...Now that's an awesome future...

[Ciara]

or a turkey sandwish .. dont forget our dinner at saturday night Roog!


(warning, dont read if you're too sensetive about this topic <.<)
for hunting, i have nothing to say, sure its mean for the animals but .. srsly i got enough to think of to actually care very much .. i got a family related person that hunt mooses, which is a certain season thing here, and we get a lot of moose heart to eat, which i dont like, its too salt, and other "inner parts" ... But i dont eat something of it, it tastes crap. I think its stupid to kill for nothing tho (nice fur or horns) or kill test animals cuz you're testing something on labs, or if the sort of animal is dying out ... but else, no ... Like the lions, we need to eat too, its just the circle of life <.<

[Dare]

Aha! I knew I wasn't hallucinating when I read the news this morning!

FDA backs safety of meat, milk from cloned animals - Q & A

As expected, the Food and Drug Administration announced Thursday that its scientific assessment of meat and milk from cloned animals determined they were safe for human consumption. The announcement, coming after four years of review and research, is just the beginning of what will be a year or more process of public input and discussion before these products can be sold.

FDA: Cloned animals' meat is safe

Looks like they're going ahead with it then...

I wonder when the day will come when they start growing bacon in petri dishes?

[lion_roog]

Meh...who cares if the cloned meat is safe...what matters is how it tastes...

Originally posted by Ciara
or a turkey sandwish .. dont forget our dinner at saturday night Roog!

Your night or my night?...

Heh, next thing you know, they'll clone Roogs. We can each have one in each of our homes as a pet

No Way!...Then the supply will kill the demand...

[HasiraKali]

I have no problem with hunting as long as it's not just for the sake of killing. I know that some people go hunting for fun and that's ok, it's their life. I just wouldn't do it. A lot of the hunters I know actually use most of the animals they take and it doesn't bother me as much. It's more of when things are wasted that I don't like it.

[Nephilim]

Hunting animals for food is superior to eating food for supermarkets, believe it. I think it's slightly hypocritical to do that and then ***** about hunting. :3

Though, of course, I love animals too much to lay a finger on them, personally. But hey, hunt if you wanna hunt - and culling, naturally, is needed.

(And goddammit, it's 'furry,' not 'furrie.')

[Forest Freak]

We've got alot of trophies. We've got about 5 deer heads in our house. Hell, I even got one in my room, it just has never bothered me that much. We're going out hunting tomorrow for that matter. I'm not closed minded, I understand some people have different opinions and i can respect that.