Shooting Next Door

[shadowland]

Sorry to hear what happened.

I also don't get how you can get into an argument over such a horrible thing, that's not okay.

I guess Mufasa is still upset about everything and I am sure shadowland just didn't think much about his (?) comment and this all shouldn't have evolved into a flame.

There's no reason to judge this woman in one or the other way. She probably was mentally ill, but maybe she wasn't. We don't know the one or the other thing?

Not all mentally ill people are a danger to others, but some are. Not all healthy people are a danger to others, but some are. It's as simple as that.

I also don't know why there seem to happen so many shootings in the US but I sure hope you over there get that issue under control. Soon.

I'm not the one who turned it into an argument lol

[cleargreenwater]

I think its interesting that a lot of times its the local people who are more pacifist. Something similar just happened on MLK, one of the members from Boston posted about the Marathon bombing, and within a day or two the conversation had evolved into pretty blanket support for the death penalty, and it was the member on the ground in the situation who had someone in their circle in critical condition that actually posted against it and grew annoyed with the people arguing with him for/about it. I think shocking events almost universally leave people close to them raw & unsettled and extreme reactions can seem like additional conflict.

Not all mentally ill people are a danger to others, but some are. Not all healthy people are a danger to others, but some are. It's as simple as that.

I also don't know why there seem to happen so many shootings in the US but I sure hope you over there get that issue under control. Soon.

There is SO little in place in the US system, whether the medical system or the prison/law system, in place for addressing unstable and psychologically declining people. SO little, its entirely inadequate. The medical system won't and doesn't offer any kind of coordinated response, and your only other option is a law enforcement response, which law enforcement isn't obligated to concern themselves with until it becomes prosecutable/a law case, at which point in mental health/unhinging situations it's nearly always too late, at best for the person, at worst for others around the person. I have personal family experience with it, and I can't even explain to you how lacking and frustrating and tragic it is. I don't know what the answer is, you can't pack people off to the loony bin arbitrarily any more than you can keep guns from the black market and criminals/illegal users, but every time the gun control talk comes up it never understands what's actually failing and what needs to improve, and I sincerely hope we get it worked out one day, too. It may be time to reinvent facilities specifically concerned with mental health, or reorganize how that same need can be met in a different structure.

[Utora]

There's no reason to judge this woman in one or the other way. She probably was mentally ill, but maybe she wasn't. We don't know the one or the other thing?

This was more or less my stance with this situation. I'm glad others do understand.

There is SO little in place in the US system, whether the medical system or the prison/law system, in place for addressing unstable and psychologically declining people. SO little, its entirely inadequate. The medical system won't and doesn't offer any kind of coordinated response, and your only other option is a law enforcement response, which law enforcement isn't obligated to concern themselves with until it becomes prosecutable/a law case, at which point in mental health/unhinging situations it's nearly always too late, at best for the person, at worst for others around the person. I have personal family experience with it, and I can't even explain to you how lacking and frustrating and tragic it is. I don't know what the answer is, you can't pack people off to the loony bin arbitrarily any more than you can keep guns from the black market and criminals/illegal users, but every time the gun control talk comes up it never understands what's actually failing and what needs to improve, and I sincerely hope we get it worked out one day, too. It may be time to reinvent facilities specifically concerned with mental health, or reorganize how that same need can be met in a different structure.

Exactly. I think there should be more effort to understand this, approach it and address it. It seems, from my viewpoint that while some believe in the severity or importance of an illness to this degree, others dispute it entirely and reject it. We're divided.

The irony of this situation is I was informed by a specialist many years ago that the month of May is a very chaotic month for those with disorders like; depression, seasonal affective disorder, bipolar 1 or 2, schizophrenia and disorders relating to those listed. The transitioning seasons from the slower / shorter days into the summer spur these disorders in to chaos; suicides become rampant along with those that have acute episodes, etc.

In times like these, I know she wasn't alone. She had a network of friends, relatives - that showed up rather quickly with this issue and collected her belongings. I debate a little if those around her suspected and issue, but were divided in addressing it. Who knows truthfully but I do believe, considering the amount of shootings, suicides, etc - there should be an awareness of these issues. You know, so you don't go "I feel like killing myself..but..it doesn't matter." ...to "Why do I feel this way? I need to get help."

I'd feel very differently if she had shot her son, and then she lived and tried to get bail or deny charges. She killed herself also. It seems to me she felt panicked, did not want to leave her offspring behind. The strongest bond is that of a mother and it's offspring. When you feel suicidal, it's a kind of instinct like being in a burning plane that is hurdling itself to the earth. You will die if you stay inside it, so you need to get away from it; you jump. But this will kill you too. It's irrelevant, fight or flight. Life for her may have been that burning plane, and she was going to take her own with her as she jumped out.

http://wentzville.patch.com/articles...tage-situation

That is "the new developed story", pfft which is nothing honestly..just now Bomb Squad and SWAT photos.
There's a massive dumpster in their driveway, furniture and plaster in it ..some with blood stains.



Do we need to keep it on display....