Evolution

[Utora]

I don't support Evolution. It has nothing to do with religion, as I hold no religious beliefs at present.

Take a frog, make him a prince; you have a fairytale. Add 5 Million years between the two and you have Evolution.

In college they lectured how spiders previously could not make a web but then learned to do this. I seriously began to question what would motivate any cell or being into evolution. No. I believe what species exists on Earth today is such a small percentage of what is left. In the past there was such a road spectrum of things.

I read, close to California in the 70's there was this slab on the side of a mountain showing, in great detail layer of crusts which was evidence of things through time. There was an earthquake that caused this layer formation to thrust up more exposing a tree. This tree was embedded in several layers at once. Obviously the tree didn't exist over billions of years, it'd been trapped in some lava and sediment in one event. There have also been records of TRex prints, a smilodan and a man's footprints in one river bed. All three existing at the same point in time, paralleled? Probably not, but that's just the point, there's these methods that don't prove anything to me honestly.

Logical? I see so many holes. Similar to religion. You know, all these scientists come up with the same stor, "We've found exactly what we were looking for!" and that's the first sign...they're looking for something specific, what they want. I believe this is the case with evolution. We want an answer that makes sense, and sure it does if you fit this this this and this here here and here but move it out of it's place and all these questions errupt that ..seem to be founded on more assumption than fact. Evolution is the battle of Faith VS Fact that's been going on since the dawn of time. Show me, now I believe. Don't show me, not worth my investment. This is an instinctive reaction actually. The man I'm with believes in evolution. I don't believe in it, I'm ok with the unknown, not knowing. For me, evolution is a type of colored glasses to life, it's a choice. Same with if a God has created me from the dust of the earth, or the trees walked together one day and made us from..fish...in the sea. Etc. It's irrelevant to present goings on. furthermore I find many people believing in evolution using it as a means to justify there more primitive nature which is a sorry excuse..but these are people you can detect easily and I'm not saying anyone here is this way.

I believe apes and man lived paralleled through the ages. There was no evolution, and like all things even going on presently, certain specifies became weeded out. Extinction is a natural process. I don't things are evolving or ever have. That's my opinion and that's all.

[Shadow]

evolution is the ****.

do i support it or not oh chirst

honestly though yes i think thats how it went down, but im one of those people with a " Where here couldent care less how we got here or how we are going to go, i just live in the time iv been opintent to"

it puzzles me that so many people would dedicate their whole life's to prove something as trivial as to how we got here, or how we will go just live in the now will ya, i mean even if you are right or wrong its not like ya can chance it can ya?

[Revo]

Props to Utora for, in opposition of the grand majority, presenting a different view.

it puzzles me that so many people would dedicate their whole life's to prove something as trivial as to how we got here, or how we will go just live in the now will ya, i mean even if you are right or wrong its not like ya can chance it can ya?

Oh, but study of evolution is what makes a lot of modern discoveries in medical, mechanical and biological sciences possible . So in a way, a study of the past can help us live in the now.
Less puzzled?

[Shadow]

Props to Utora for, in opposition of the grand majority, presenting a different view.


Oh, but study of evolution is what makes a lot of modern discoveries in medical, mechanical and biological sciences possible . So in a way, a study of the past can help us live in the now.
Less puzzled?

Ahh very true, History and Arciolegy is very important, i guess i should have evaluted my response better, but taking in them factors, i guess i actually dont have a comeback rather then.

indeed, Less puzzled

THOUGH lets look away for the sake off the argument, from these wounderful things, for lets say the commen man , what use is it then?

[Juniper]

The theory of evolution is the foundation of modern biology and ecology. Understanding the organisms that fill niches, how they came to fill those niches, and how they interact with other organisms and their environment is based upon the foundation of evolutionary theory. We're not just talking about whether humans hail from apes -- evolutionary theory is absolutely integral to even our most basic understanding of genetics, conservation, and sociology.

As an example, if you've eaten a tomato larger than a plum, you've benefited from our understanding of genetics and selection. Tomatoes naturally have only two carpels (pockets of seeds) and are relatively small. A tomato with a mutation that makes it grow more than two carpels is larger than a wild-type tomato because it has to fit more carpels into the same fruit. By selecting for tomatoes that have more than two carpels, we can make those lovely fist-sized tomatoes we all love. This is basic genetics, which has its roots in our understanding of selection, competition, inheritance, mutation, etc... But that's just one example, there are millions.

Even indirectly, evolutionary theory has changed how biologists view the world. Just as changing conditions in the wild can select against certain creatures and lead to their extinction, we can develop chemotherapies to treat cancer patients by understanding that we can create an environment within the body that selects against cancerous cells while leaving other cells relatively unharmed. An example of this is thalidomide, which is used to treat multiple myeloma. Multiple myeloma is a bone marrow cancer that does not have a single tumor, but rather dozens or hundreds of small, inoperable tumors. Tumors are, for the most part, unable to be detected and destroyed by the body's immune system as they are so similar to normal tissue. One difference, however, is that small tumors grow lots and lots of capillary vessels very quickly, whereas the rest of the body typically does not need to grow capillaries as quickly. Knowing this, we can develop a drug that exploits this and hampers the growth of capillary blood vessels -- and we did, this drug is call Revlimid, and it has helped thousands of people with multiple myeloma. Understanding the basics of evolution lets us understand how to manipulate natural processes for our benefit.


As for me, I'm convinced that evolution is the best scientific explanation for the natural processes around us. I'm also Christian, but I don't see a contradiction with genesis, for various reasons. I guess I'm a theistic evolutionist? I try not to be contentious with other Christians on the subject, it's not something worth arguing and causing undue heartache. For what it's worth, evolution is more of a protestant issue which hails from certain later denominations insisting upon a literal interpretation of scripture (which is not historical in early protestantism or earlier christianity). The other major branches of Christianity are relatively indifferent as far as their official doctrine goes.

Oh, also, "Unicorn" is a poor interpretation of a hebrew word that is no longer used in any modern translations. Wild oxen/cattle have been recognized as the proper translation even by greek bishops of the third century.

[Guntur]

I don't support Evolution. It has nothing to do with religion, as I hold no religious beliefs at present.



In college they lectured how spiders previously could not make a web but then learned to do this. I seriously began to question what would motivate any cell or being into evolution. No. I believe what species exists on Earth today is such a small percentage of what is left. In the past there was such a road spectrum of things.

I read, close to California in the 70's there was this slab on the side of a mountain showing, in great detail layer of crusts which was evidence of things through time. There was an earthquake that caused this layer formation to thrust up more exposing a tree. This tree was embedded in several layers at once. Obviously the tree didn't exist over billions of years, it'd been trapped in some lava and sediment in one event. There have also been records of TRex prints, a smilodan and a man's footprints in one river bed. All three existing at the same point in time, paralleled? Probably not, but that's just the point, there's these methods that don't prove anything to me honestly.

Logical? I see so many holes. Similar to religion. You know, all these scientists come up with the same stor, "We've found exactly what we were looking for!" and that's the first sign...they're looking for something specific, what they want. I believe this is the case with evolution. We want an answer that makes sense, and sure it does if you fit this this this and this here here and here but move it out of it's place and all these questions errupt that ..seem to be founded on more assumption than fact. Evolution is the battle of Faith VS Fact that's been going on since the dawn of time. Show me, now I believe. Don't show me, not worth my investment. This is an instinctive reaction actually. The man I'm with believes in evolution. I don't believe in it, I'm ok with the unknown, not knowing. For me, evolution is a type of colored glasses to life, it's a choice. Same with if a God has created me from the dust of the earth, or the trees walked together one day and made us from..fish...in the sea. Etc. It's irrelevant to present goings on. furthermore I find many people believing in evolution using it as a means to justify there more primitive nature which is a sorry excuse..but these are people you can detect easily and I'm not saying anyone here is this way.

I believe apes and man lived paralleled through the ages. There was no evolution, and like all things even going on presently, certain specifies became weeded out. Extinction is a natural process. I don't things are evolving or ever have. That's my opinion and that's all.

I agree with the whole post and opinion of yours Utora.

[Azerane]

Logical? I see so many holes. Similar to religion. You know, all these scientists come up with the same stor, "We've found exactly what we were looking for!" and that's the first sign...they're looking for something specific, what they want. I believe this is the case with evolution. We want an answer that makes sense, and sure it does if you fit this this this and this here here and here but move it out of it's place and all these questions errupt that ..seem to be founded on more assumption than fact.

I like that point you make Utora, particularly because you are right. If you have a certain amount of puzzle with some things missing, you could think of a piece that would fit perfectly, and if you actually manage to find that, voila, it makes sense. But as much as you can hypothesise about what is actually missing from the evolution equation, we're not always going to be right, and we should be finding things that we're not expecting to find. Perhaps. Then again, if everything that we think we know about evolution is right, then we should actually be finding what we expect. So there's kind of two heads to that beast. But I do very much like your point. It's interesting.

[Twilight_Sparkle]

I seriously began to question what would motivate any cell or being into evolution.

I don't understand. Why would something needed to be motivated to evolve?

I read, close to California in the 70's there was this slab on the side of a mountain showing, in great detail layer of crusts which was evidence of things through time. There was an earthquake that caused this layer formation to thrust up more exposing a tree. This tree was embedded in several layers at once. Obviously the tree didn't exist over billions of years, it'd been trapped in some lava and sediment in one event. There have also been records of TRex prints, a smilodan and a man's footprints in one river bed. All three existing at the same point in time, paralleled? Probably not, but that's just the point, there's these methods that don't prove anything to me honestly.

You're referencing some rather shady examples against evolution (I believe the t-rex thing was shown to be a hoax). When talking about so called polystrate fossils (the tree through several layers), I am not convinced that any such fossils mean anything until it can be demonstrated that polystrate fossils discredit dating methods without being the result of rapid sedimentation or some sort of salt withdrawal. Whatever sources your're getting this information from is misleading you...