Feminism

[Dyani]

Originally posted by SimbaTheMighty
and I think this is a bit wrong thread to say this but I wonder if there ever will be black female president in US... I would really want to see that happen.

Hell a black president would be amazing to start with.. a black female would be rather uber in the extreme.

Thats one thing that slightly annoys me about the USA.. they claim to be so much more advanced than any other country.. yet they haven't exactly had any female or black candidates for presidency. Thats why I like Condoleezza Rice, dammit how often does someone like that get up that high in the system?? Damn rocks gal!

[Nephilim]

Originally posted by Dyani
Hell a black president would be amazing to start with.. a black female would be rather uber in the extreme.

How about... a black-female-lesbian-disabled-Muslim President?

[la_reina]

^ LOL what're you trying to say?

Yeah, a black president would be great to start off with. Then a black female president, then a Muslim president. Now we all know what kind of controversy all that will start, regardless of what the Constitution says.

[Nephilim]

Originally posted by la_reina
^ LOL what're you trying to say?

Just trying to get as many "minority" groups in as I could.

[A-non-a-mus]

Originally posted by SimbaTheMighty
there ever will be black female president in US... I would really want to see that happen.

Oprah was concidered for a candidate... but she turned them down ... because she would have gotten a big pay cut as president than what she's making now...

[Riley]

I'll be cuddly and say women rule. Nah, y'all really are great. Especially dear ol' mum. Hehe, but you have to give us our props too, riiiiight?

[la_reina]

@ Neph: Gotcha That would be something tho, wouldn't it?

[Only-now]

I don't see any problem with a black president or a female one...as long as they are fit to hold the position. I don't think we need to turn the President's office into a politically correct or "affirmative action" job. What I mean is we DON'T need a female or black President simply because they are female or black. They actually have to be qualified. Not to mention, no one is holding any of those people back from giving it a go. They can if they want..they just don't choose it. It's the same with when people say "look at how there are so many male scientists and doctors! They must be holding women back!" Actually...women just don't go into that field as much as men...and I feel it is usually the same for this as well. Not to say that people wouldn't have their biases..but I doubt seriously anyone is being held back.

Condoleeza Rice is a very smart women..and she got there with hard work etc. What is funny though...is that black people make fun of her..and say she is "white". So..just like women comparing themselves to men...apparently (according to black people) you cannot be successful unless you are white? It seems like they hold themselves back and then blame it on others. It happens a lot.

~Kiva

[HasiraKali]

Originally posted by Only-now
It seems like they hold themselves back and then blame it on others. It happens a lot.

~Kiva

I'm being quiet about most of this but I just wanted to point this little bit out. Bill Cosby brought this up in an interview somewhere and got a whole heap of flames for it.

[lion_roog]

Originally posted by HasiraKali
I'm being quiet about most of this but I just wanted to point this little bit out. Bill Cosby brought this up in an interview somewhere and got a whole heap of flames for it.

I remember that...I like Bill Cosby. He grew up in the ghetto, too, so he knows a bit about what goes on there...and as hard as it already is to pull yourself out of places like that, a lot of people make it even harder by giving into the easy way (which a lot of times is also illegal) or just shooting themselves in the foot by making too many mistakes.

And on the Presidential note...I wonder if Hillary Clinton is still thinking about running in 2008. I know that John McCain is thinking about running on the Republican side. I usually like McCain, but the last couple years many of his decisions have disappointed me.

[Sadiki]

Originally posted by Only-now
I don't see any problem with a black president or a female one...as long as they are fit to hold the position. I don't think we need to turn the President's office into a politically correct or "affirmative action" job. What I mean is we DON'T need a female or black President simply because they are female or black. They actually have to be qualified. Not to mention, no one is holding any of those people back from giving it a go. They can if they want..they just don't choose it. It's the same with when people say "look at how there are so many male scientists and doctors! They must be holding women back!" Actually...women just don't go into that field as much as men...and I feel it is usually the same for this as well. Not to say that people wouldn't have their biases..but I doubt seriously anyone is being held back.

well what I ment was that it seems that it is hard to get people vote for women as a president because of what some people especially men think about women and their position in sosioty. ofcourse the person on President seat.. especially in US should be responsible and rightful leader. ( can't really say Bush have been that in a lot of cases, but anyways )

and was said before about Ophra not wanting to be come a president because she gets more money on the position she is now... then she wouldn't be a good choise anyways. becoming a president shouldn't be because of money, it should be to make changes and to be able to lead the contry... I have personaly thought for a long time that USA, China and Russia are all too big to be lead by one man/woman. but that is how world works.

[la_reina]

Actually, I think that maybe Oprah could be an excellent candidate for president. I mean, why not? She's already doing all she can to make the world a better place, while our current president is just making things worse from what I see

I don't think she'd care to much for the money, why would she if she's already making millions a year?

[Nephilim]

So, I know very little about Oprah, other than the fact that:

a) she's black, and

b) she paid for Beloved to be made into a film out of her own pocket, and stared in it as Sethe.

What does she actually do then?

[la_reina]

Well, she's the talk show host of her show Oprah and on it she discusses different topics everyday, all of them about helping and benefitting people all over the world. In fact, I just finished watching an episode. She showed some recaps about how she helped a young African girl that experienced the Genocide (something or other) in Rwanda and reunited her with her family whom she was separated from.

Another recap was of an episode when she went shopping with Bono of U2 for some popular items in code red like red Motorola RAZR phones, red iPods, red t-shirts from the Gap, etc. All proceeds from the purchased items went to buy treatments for pregnant African women with HIV to prevent transmission to their babies.

I really do admire her, and no, not because she's black and not because she's female, but because of what she does every single day to help make the world a better place. As corny as that may sound LOL xD

[Dyani]

According to my boyfriend, La Reina.. you are about as in touch with reality as an alternate dimension...

Which I ain't listening to But i have to admit.. from your points she sounds like a decent woman.. even if shes paid to be like that/is a bit like that herself but money makes her more like that etc

I agree with STM though, more people should help run the largest countries... cos yeash thats a hard job.

To quote from somewhere... *The greatest individuals died alone (my bf altered that a bkit.. its meant to be *The greatest women in history died alone, the greatest men in history died surrounded by women* FEMALES are the non attention *****s here!!!! or at least thats the generalisation shown by this quote..)

ignore me I'm typsy on Strongbow Xp

[lion_roog]

Originally posted by Dyani

To quote from somewhere... *The greatest individuals died alone (my bf altered that a bkit.. its meant to be *The greatest women in history died alone, the greatest men in history died surrounded by women* FEMALES are the non attention *****s here!!!! or at least thats the generalisation shown by this quote..)

So I'm going to die while being surrounded by women?!...Sweet!!...

[Dyani]

^

*Headdesk* :woeisme:

[HasiraKali]

For some reason there's this construct that women are inferior to men on some level. Each has their strong points and each their weaknesses. I often wonder what the world would be like if the construct were reversed.

[A-non-a-mus]

Originally posted by Only-now
Condoleeza Rice is a very smart women..and she got there with hard work etc. What is funny though...is that black people make fun of her..and say she is "white". So..just like women comparing themselves to men...apparently (according to black people) you cannot be successful unless you are white? It seems like they hold themselves back and then blame it on others. It happens a lot.

~Kiva

Yes, I agree with what you said about presidents... if they hold the qualifications then that's whom should be picked

On this though, I agree too ... but it's not only blacks, it's everyone... (to a certain extent) though I can see how any would get mad at such a statement as bill cosby said, I mean, who here would like to be told such a blant statement? ... doesn't make one feel too good... but truth be told, the ones most mad about it, are the ones it is most true of... (the more guilty a conscious the more anger produced within) ... I can gaurantee the many successful blacks (like himself) didn't mind the comment... (because it wasn't true for them, they didn't hold themselves back, thus they are successful) Blaming others for their own mistakes in the process... (who likes to admit defeat anyways?) it goes for all... all races, both genders...

Originally posted by Dyani
To quote from somewhere... *The greatest individuals died alone (my bf altered that a bkit.. its meant to be *The greatest women in history died alone, the greatest men in history died surrounded by women* FEMALES are the non attention *****s here!!!! or at least thats the generalisation shown by this quote..)

note to all: this following rant is not by any means directed to Dyani... it is directed at the quote "The greatest individuals died alone" and the owner of the quote

who can say if that is true or just 'what it seems like'? ... you see, most die, and most want their family and loved ones around when they're passing away... it's comfort to them... but who was there? ... who now lives whom watched all the great names die? well? ... anyone? ... nope, no one... that's who absolutely no one... or am I being too narrowed? ... who is great anyways? ... what is 'greatness'? ... who is anyone to determine this person was great? it's all in the mind... indivisually we all have our own definition, and we all have our own chosen to admire, it's completely different from person to person...

Let me say this: During a great war between two armies, a lone soldier risks his life to save a fellow soldier from death, in the process he saves another troop, and kills 20 enemies, on top of that he saves a village by rushing the citizens to safety. a years has passed and he is lost, killed in battle... a tombstone with a name amungst a couple thousand of similar graves is all that's to show of this soldier... did this soldier die alone or with friends? how do you come to this conclution?
was he great? or was he not? how do you come to this conclution? ...

Now, as the story turns out this soldier was accually an excaped murderer running from police, wanted in three countries, and the village he saved, was saved because the villagers ran from him because he tried to kill them all off, the fellow soldiers he rescued were accually rescued because they were lucky to hide in their captivity while he murdered those holding them... and died in a shootout with his own fellow soldiers when he was caught trying to murder a comander.
again did he die alone, or with friends? was he great or not?... what brought you to this conclution?

Now say he was wanted in three countries only because he was hated for protesting freedom to an enslaved civilization... he volunteered to put his life on the line to be sent into the enemy base to enevitably die to save his people... He ambushed a village that had slaves because he was discusted with the way they threated their slaves... thus the village ran from him, he then tried to murder a commander whom had plans to completely destroy an entire village with no defense against their onslaught.
once more was he alone when he died and was he great? ... how did you come up with this? ... were you there? ... did you see him? did you know what lie in his heart? what right have you to determine if he was great or not? what right do you bear to think he is the demon from hell or a blessing from heaven? do you know how many millions of ways this story could change?

again I go back to it's all in your mind... who do you think is great and how did they die? was it some number amung millions? or a fallen hero who just so happened to be viewed opposite by his or her opponents? ... it's all up to you to decide what you want, you're free to do so... however you are not free to enforce this thought on everyone that lives.

I, myself see my uncle as great... he was a hero to my eyes... he died, not surrounded by women, not alone, but with us, his family... while his wife, had left him after bearing a child, left him because she only married him for his child... she cheated on him and took off... dispite his pleads that he be able to see his daughter, she saw to it that he could not... not until he lay on his deathbed was he able to see his daughter, spend time with her...
did he die alone? was he great? How can you know? you were not there, you did not know him and you only heard one side of the story... as have I so how can I, though I watched him die, who am I to say weither or not he was great or died alone?

I know this is a long rant but point being, stop being foolinsh and making up history to fit your view of it... quit looking to ancient history and then use that as a reason to hate or show scorn twoards another... it is for that reason we still have wars today, it is impossible to not have wars ... it is impossible that our view on who is great and who is not to be exact...

on another note, the whole 'feminism' thing... show me your proof, with absolutely no amassing many into one. (example: because men are stupid... tell me what right have you to say that?)
You do relise by all that's said and done, it is not I, being a man, who thinks women are inferior, it is all you who think that I think that way because it is yoou who whould say this thread is right, it is your OWN thinking that caused this theory on 'women are infirior' ... that's right, you... not me, because I don't... I know because I am me, and you have no right to say and/or no way to prove otherwise... think what you want it's only your own thinking... your words are not mine and mine are not yours...

so stop this whole we are better or they are better, because it's only your thinking, you were not there to witness all on this earth from start to present your view is only big in your own eye, and blantly accusing is as petty as a child arguing the other's cookie has more sprinkles, ... sounds small and insignificant to another but a big deal to the child making the complaint... but who am I to say how you should think? ... just don't shove that junk at everyone and expect a complete agreement...

there, I've said my piece... I have expirienced way too many times where girls came up to me, with hatred in their eyes because I am a man, before they even know my name or who I truely am :P

once again this rant is not directed at anyone in perticular... I am just annoyed with such flat out pre-judgement as the quote implies (and some posts in this thread implies [and again, if you think I'm jumping at you, stop and think to yourself, 'why am I thinking such a way?' ... guilt? ... or was he really terrible in saying such? {be true to yourself... there's nothing you have done, that you can hide from yourself}])

{I'm going to catch some sleep... [I'm tired{and use too many parenthesis}] (apart from that I may have even missplled that word too)

zzzzzz....

[Sharifu]

Um, well when I posted before I wasn't saying I was a feminist, just because I said I loved being a women. I like being female though. Women are beautiful, and I like being treated like a women and feeling feminine... I'm not a real girly girl though, I'm kind of inbetween. I have long hair that I blow dry and straighten to make it look soft, and I like wearing clothes that are figure flattering. But I don't over do it, I don't show lots of skin or anything like that. I don't wear make up because I think the natural look is the most beautiful. So yeah were was I going with this... Yeah I love being female but I'm not a feminist. There are good men in this world, and of course not all men are, but it goes the same for women.

Originally posted by la_reina
Four words, females rule, males drool. Although I wouldn't exactly call myself a feminist, I do support feminism. Women are smarter, stronger, and more capable. Guys are cool...I mean, I do love men being straight and all...they're just dumb 80% of the time and need the help of us women.

Um, I think that's kind of a mean thing to say isn't it? That is not always true. There are women who act pretty stupid at times too.

Originally posted by SimbaTheMighty
I think this is a bit wrong thread to say this but I wonder if there ever will be black female president in US... I would really want to see that happen.

That would pretty cool... Hehe, that makes me think of two women on some older TV shows... On The Cosby Show, Bill Cosby's wife, I can't remember her name right now, and Vivian on The Fresh Prince of Bel Air. They both played women who were very strong, and independent.