Well excuse me for being away for a week and not being able to defend some things.
Geesh, no wonder I didn't miss this place after 3 days of being gone ... *rolls eyes*
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Well excuse me for being away for a week and not being able to defend some things.
Geesh, no wonder I didn't miss this place after 3 days of being gone ... *rolls eyes*
Lea Members I've met...
LKD 1x, Sharifu 2x, STM 2x, This Land 8x, Lucy 11x, Amy 1x, LKS 2x, KanuTGL 1x, Dani 2x, Dan 2x
Shadow 1x, King Simba 2x, Nephilim 1x, Naline 1x, jazzybbunny 3x, cleargreenwater 1x, HasiraKali 1x, Vidan 1x
avater = Sharifu
No I'm not brushing anyone off, I'm just stating... "That's the way things are," ... If the concerns are overwhelming enough, I suggest a decisive solution, because I haven't any to work with, just complaints is all I'm hearing...Originally posted by pntbll248
Now I'm sorry, but posts like that just seem like you're brushing us off. That's our whole point, bud, it's like some of the staff is throwing their weight around. Howabout instead of saying "This is the way the hierarchy works" and "However you want to feel, that's fine with me", you actually address our concerns? That would seem like the more appropriate, concerned thing to do. Actions speak louder than words, if the staff says it's not a matter of "I can do some things you can't", but they portray a different feeling in each thread, then I think the latter will be an indication of how they really feel.
I have offered a decisive solution: When a thread is closed, it is closed. Not just closed to members, it's not gonna be an opportunity for a staff member to get in a cute little remark, give their two cents, or otherwise say something other than the initial reason why the thread was closed; if they choose to do so, reopen the thread. That's common sense, guys, and that's the solution.
If you have somethign to say, say it while the thread's open. If, in order to keep with that rule of thumb you have to reopen the thread, then do so.
And Nathalie, no one blamed you for an opinion, we just get irked when your opinion can't be discussed like the rest of us. None of this is an attack, it's a plea for reason.
How, Mature of the mods to say they deserve to be one step ahead of the members once again, "We deserve more rights then you and should be allowed to excercise those rights" Is all I heard in Sonique's posts. Basically being told. "We're better than you, so we deserve more than you.Originally posted by nathalie
Well excuse me for being away for a week and not being able to defend some things.
Geesh, no wonder I didn't miss this place after 3 days of being gone ... *rolls eyes*
Didn't people just say "Moderators and Members should be viewed as one"? If viewed as one, don't you think that should be "equal" not different, Rights.
I'll say this, I think the mods could post in closed topics AS LONG AS THEY DON'T TRY TO START ANYTHING. Or CARRY ON ANY ON GOING CONVERSATIONS. If you are going to post in a closed topic, I don't think you should give you're views, you're opinions, or ANYTHING. Since we can't do the same thing. The post should just contain "Might be reopened later" or something relevant to that.
And moderators of a certain subforum can edit, delete, merge, and post in closed topics, Super Mods such as yourself Sonique, can edit and post in any Closed thread. If you are given a certain responsibility as to Moderate a Forums. Don't post somewhere where the member you post about can not defend himself. thats the Main point threads like the "Thanks Neph" Thread was created. If you want to post anything and you posted you're opinion, at least open it so that person you addressed can at least have a chance to defend him or herself.
Thats what I think about this.. Stuff oO
~KTL
It's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice.
... And my common sense tells me that you'll have to get over it, because that's the way it is....Originally posted by pntbll248
I have offered a decisive solution: When a thread is closed, it is closed. Not just closed to members, it's not gonna be an opportunity for a staff member to get in a cute little remark, give their two cents, or otherwise say something other than the initial reason why the thread was closed; if they choose to do so, reopen the thread. That's common sense, guys, and that's the solution.
Whoa, what in all is happening in here...
I thought the mods were doing just great.
......or maybe that's just because I'm new?
Well... you know something Nuka... I might just take your advice on some things, you are very wise my friend....
Shows how much the Moderators really care about possibly changing to make this place a better place than it already isOriginally posted by Sonkakee
... And my common sense tells me that you'll have to get over it, because that's the way it is....Yeah if you want to consider that an attack, do so. But in my own words, it came from the heart, and thats how I'm seeing this right now.
To me it seems as if "Some" Moderators don't really care for change here, and to see that theres a problem here. And those are the Mods that I find should /not/ even /be/ Moderators. As Moderators it's your Job to listen to what we have to say, and to help the boards be a better place, even if it means sacrificing a little bit of you're powers for the good of us all. It wont be all, Aww I just lost some power, I can' tpost in closed topics anymore.. I'ma go cry now.
Well guess what, Some of us Don't have the right to post there, and some of us get really aggrivated when you Moderators (Some not all) POST in something thats closed, and urk us so much, by YOUR opinions and some of which ARENT true, And we can't even MAKE A MOVE as to defend ourselves like here Haha what happened to that thread being reopened?
I just really like how Sonique calls his own forums "Immature"
Notice the attacks and flames that were sent to me in the first few pages, Did I get a chance to defend myself? pft no.
But a Moderator sure got the chance to call us immature. Does that not show you anything!? I sense the presence of insecurity in that thread.
You said everyone had the right to voice their opinions in that thread Sonique, We can't have that right if you close it.
~KTL
It's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice.
Oh... yes.... I had plans to reopen that thread, but why? Since all we can do is flame each other when it comes to insurmountable things. But Hell, who am I to judge. And if all you guys is want to complain about the way things are; I say, you made it that way too... So if you don't like the way I do things make a complaint (as I said time and time again...) Anyway... we have listened time and time again, we haven't a resolution, just a ball of complaints.... Now I think we shall devise it ourselves... and see how that goes.... In the meantime, feel free to nitpick.......
^_^'
*sighs* I cannot believe it is THIS hard for people to run and post on a FORUM. It is the INTERNET for God's sakes!
Alright, one the mods are not evil people who want to abuse their power. They never said they were better than anyone etc. I am not saying they don't do anything wrong, but don't try to make them look evil. After all, that is seperating them from members once again...which is exactly what you (KTL) just used as an example of what the mods are doing..but that is doing it in itself.
That brings me to my next point. My personal view on this issue, is that mods should keep their power, but they are using it in the wrong way. I don't think that the majority of mods here are posting in closed topics like so because they want the last word etc. I think they are just using the power they have to just post what they think. Basically, the quote "The road to hell is paved with good intentions" comes in here. They are just posting their view, but they are in essence doing something that IS wrong.
A Mod should not close a discussion about something because people are arguing..and THEN post their own views in the topic, mentioing people, etc without others being able to respond. If my above statement about mods doing it blindly isnt the case, and they are actually closing the thread to post their view without getting flamed, then that IS wrong. I am not one who thinks the mods are evil, or different than us. Mods are members, and should play by the same rules in terms of etiquette (sp?). Of course we give them powers to moderate, and some things the members DO have to live with....but posting in a closed thread about a discussion is like having a debate where one candidate isn't allowed to answer. Not to mention..WHY would you do that unless you wanted the last word? The more I write this, the more I tend to think the mods are doing something wrong here. You have a mod forum, PMs, and IMs. If you want to discuss a closed thread then do it there, not in the same thread you closed where no one can respond.
I hope everyone knows that I am not totally agianst the mods or anything. I take the side of which I think is right, and in this case it is the members. There needs to be a stop to this tension filled gap between mods and members. Members need to lay off of making the mods seem so evil, because they really aren't/ Personally KTL, it seems like you do not agree with anything the mods do..and you tend to just argue with or point out their faults all the time. I don't think that is the way to mend anything. Pnt, I always admire how you handle it because you tend to focus on the issue and not the group..and that is a good thing.
All in all, the mods need to listen to the public on certain issues, and the public needs to learn to deal with decisions they do not like sometimes. If these are done, I think that Lea's atmosphere will definitely improve.
~Kiva
Indeed. That's what exactly I was trying to do. But people tend to misinterpret it as something else. But that's to be expected, after all; if that's all you are looking for, that's all you're going to see. And I have offered to reopen any thread if need be, or just for an instance, which no-one else would probably do. But... well.... hmm....... =/Originally posted by Only-now
I don't think that the majority of mods here are posting in closed topics like so because they want the last word etc. I think they are just using the power they have to just post what they think. Basically, the quote "The road to hell is paved with good intentions" comes in here.
I didn't say it was all the memebers fault at all, but I am 100% that most of the "problems" on this thread do come from the members and NOT the mods. Them being members applies in some situations and not others. Since they are mods, but are also members, I guess we should all have the same powers as them as well then? That isn't how I meant it to come across.
Also, I do NOT think that there is a huge problem with the mods whatsoever. I think that there are a few select people who either have a personal issue with the mods from something they did, or a mistake a mod made, or do not like authority. KTL had a problem with the mods, Pnt had one, etc. You two both have had your own problems with the mods, whether it was your or the mods mistake doesnt matter. It doesn't seem like many people. including myself, have been hurt by the mods,or thier policies. I don't think the majority of Lea is suffering. You know, Scar's Lair is the only place where all these problem threads come from, and members get in trouble etc. This is the forum with the widest variety of topics, some which are hot ones that inspire debate. That would mean that more members are going go step over the line, mods are going to be more strict, and sometimes be a little rash because of the aura of this particular forum. All the other forums are doing just fine. The majority of the members don't have a problem with the mods at all. That isn't to say that they don't make mistake, or need to change things (as evident with me agreeing with pnt, and KTL in the "reporting" thread), but they are not in serious need of changing. I wonder if anyone here realizes that I am a member, and not a mod. I never got into any trouble that wasn't a disagreement I could handle. Of course, there are times when I disagree with what a mod is saying, or their decision, but people ARE making this seem like it is a forum-wide issue and it isnt. That is what I mean by being dramatic. Have any of you ever thought that maybe the way you handle yourself, etc may affect how the mods treat you, or why you feel like the mods are so against you? I feel like I have to fight both "sides" of this now. In one thread I have to agree with what some of the members are saying, and in the other, I agree with the mods. In all seriousness, I think that the quality of Lea's members has gone down since I joined. We used to not have or NEED mods until new members who spam, break the rules, curse, post outrageous topics, etc joined. Now, look at what is happening...SOMEHOW the mods have become "evil people" who are power hungry. Somehow, these same people who were picked as mods and are excellent members are now SO different, and bad and I guess the new members have NOTHING to do with that right? It is ALL the mods fault, and they are just out to get you. *sighs* Nothing lasts forever...
~Kiva
Sonique...if I were you, I would concede to the members here. They are not acking for a lot at all. There is no reason why you NEED to be able to post about a topic after you close the thread. Basically, that is only going to make it seem like you are trying to use your power to get your way, and if that isn't the case, then I wouldn't go down that path. I know the mods are not evil people who just want to control Lea, but doing something like so, even if you didn't mean it in a bad way, comes off as one. If you want to post in a closed topic, then say something about why it was closed etc..but avoid the issue the topic is about unless the topic is open for everyone to discuss. Do you see what I am saying? They have a point that once a topic is closed, it should be closed for everyone. Take a look at the other thread about moderators to see what I think about the whole issue here...which isn't as big a deal as it seems. If you are wrong, just admit you are...and I think you are a smart enough person to see where we are coming from.
~Kiva
good lord, they arent moderators for nothing.
Look, I'm seeing a staff member tell members to get over it when they have brought up a perfectly valid concern. Now, I think that only furthers our beliefs that there's an issue here that needs addressed. If someone, member or staff, thinks they can tell someone else to just "Get over it" and that'll be that, they're sadly mistaken. Now please, do not tell us to get over it again, we have not attacked you and we have not said you're a bad person or something; we have only raised a concern. This is something that is important to us, and we'd appreciate a little more than "Get over it"; I'm more than willing to talk it over and reach an agreement, but saying "Get over it" just isn't gonna cut it.
At one of the forums I moderate at, we don't have any problems regarding mods vs. members, and I tihnk I know why.
It's the fact that the mods here are just a little too picky...
Don't close a thread as a first defense if people are arguing....Let them resolve it through PM first, and if they don't, then you can and should lock the thread....and don't post in a thread after it's been locked. That's just lording it over us, and that's unfair.
I agree with others that have said Mufasa and Sarabi need to return. Nathalie's great and all, but we need other admins too. She's just one person.
Sarabi resigned.
We all wish Muffy could return full time, but he is a busy man.
Sombody mentioned that they feel that we have to many more mods now then we did before. However, in reality, we have less. Nuka, Boos, and Sarabi resigned, Fuzzy and Ghalati have severe RL problems to deal with, and Muffy and Ngatny are barely active anymore. STM also has to deal with school and Sharifu has ongoing computer problems. That leave 5 or 6 fully active mods.
BTW, and this is to everybody, we will never get anywhere if we sit here argueing about argueing.
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Sarabi resigned? Really? O_O'
When did that happen?
ok...
First of all. Don't generalize how moderators are. We are all as own persons ase everyone else in this world, so please stop saying " Moderators this, Moderators that" because it is just going to make those mad who have done nothing.
Second. Threads like "thanks Neph" and such shouldn't be allowed. no matter who is it about, the case is not that Neph is moderator, the thing is that public humiliation is not allowed in here or at least that is what I think. such a things can be done via MSN, Yahoo, Email or PM's.
Third. I agree with a lot of people that moderators/admins should add their opinions on closed threads, but if they have something to add the reason why it's closed it should be ok. Sometimes moderators can post closed threads in an axcident tho, sinse the only diffrence is that "Post Reply" mark says " thread closed " otherwise everything looks the same and at least I never use that button, so I don't pay attention to it.
fourth. This place isn't like military camp, but sinse there is rules and if those are broken consequences depending how serious the case is. if someone will get warned 3 times it will automaticly lead on banning no matter who it is. Also in the worst cases the person might be banned right away. In example for serious spamming or repeative swearing. you have to remember that this board is still about family movie.
Fifth. The case so many people do use "no offence" or "I don't want anyone to get offended" is because people don't want offend people, but as you read text you easily get it that way sinse you can't add any sort of tune in your text. It's just there for people to know you don't want to anyone getting offended and that it is only your honest opinion and that you are respectiong others opinions, but want to let out your own opinion.
sixth. If you get reported and have done nothing wrong, no farther action will be taken and if that keep happening the person who is reporting stuff for no reason might get warned because every time someone report someone, every single moderator have to go and check if there is something wrong in that perosn actions, sinse we can never know if someone have done it already.
seventh. This IS NOT our job to take care of everything that is happening on this board, it's more like a hobby, we don't get paid from it and reasently we have just gotten compaining and **** on us no matter what we have done. It is every single person responability to make this forum pleasant place to post. So stop saying that it is our job to do something sinse there is no way that we can check everything. the reason why there is report button is that you can let us know if there is something wrong.
And the last, but not least. Everyone, I mean every single person who ever have had to join in this board have the same rules, have same rights and can see their honest opinion as long as that argument is made in polite way without useing any swearing or brakeing any of pride rules. If you feel need to start arguing with someone, take it to somewhere else. This board is not made for arguing or letting people down, it's made for people to meet people that share the same intreses and for makeing friends. So please quit this noncense already, we are not getting anywhere by memebers first saying what mods should or should not be done and then mods replying what memebers have done or should do.
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Lea members I have met: Fuzzy, Naline, Boos, Ruska, Tima, Talfasi, JambaB, Sharifu♥, Vidan, Muruwa, Taneli, Shadow, nathalie, Lucy , Amaryllis, This Land, Daniel, Lion King Stu, King Simba, Nephilim, KanuTGL, Lion_King_300, 2DieFR, Kenai, A-non-a-mus, Eva Janus, dlb138, Levin, HasiraKali, Revo, Simba The Enigma, Azerane and Xacheraus.
*sigh* We have addressed a concern, we have given what we would like done about that concern, and we have been brushed aside and told to get over it. What do you people, lea, want from us? What else is there to say? We have been put in between a rock and a hard place, because we have an initial problem, but we also have the problem that the people who can fix the problem are not willing to address the problem. I mean, we're told by the staff that if we have a problem, say so and it will be dealt with, but when we talk about that problem, people are saying we're arguing, to quit being dramatic, and to give up.Originally posted by SimbaTheMighty
And the last, but not least. Everyone, I mean every single person who ever have had to join in this board have the same rules, have same rights and can see their honest opinion as long as that argument is made in polite way without useing any swearing or brakeing any of pride rules. If you feel need to start arguing with someone, take it to somewhere else. This board is not made for arguing or letting people down, it's made for people to meet people that share the same intreses and for makeing friends. So please quit this noncense already, we are not getting anywhere by memebers first saying what mods should or should not be done and then mods replying what memebers have done or should do.
Look, you guys have made it clear that you're not willing to address our concerns. I am willing to help this forum improve, but I cannot help a forum that will not accept help. You've* disregarded legitimate concerns, tried to turn attention from the problem onto people or groups of people, and have told us to get over it. We have conceeded that we need improvemen as well and will be willing to improve, but you have not. What else do I have to offer to a forum that behaves this way? Very little, I'm afraid. There is just nothing left to be done if no one is willing to work on these issues, but would rather say "Stop this nonsense" or "Get over it". I'm sorry, I just don't know what to do with you guys, you're just not willing to work through this, and lea's gonna continue to be this cess pool of drama, arguments, and complete idiocy until you are. And I don't mean that to sound arrogant, I'm just as much at fault as everyone else, but I'm just getting fed up with all this "Get over it", "Quit arguing", and "Stop this nonsense".
*Not meaning you in particular, STM.
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