Moderator Approval Ratings...

[Kovu The Lion]

No offense but this is what I think about this one CToP

Lately I've seen Neph, no offense to her, and a few other mods, having closed things with rather sarcastic comments, or "Omg not one of these again" Posts at the end, and then close it. Because they can get the last word in and not worry about it anymore.

Sorry if I'm wrong, I just see it as that.

And sometimes CToP there is no other thread that you can merge it with. Or they are just to lazy to merge and feel closing is easier to do and wont waste time.

EDIT:

and by the way, this **** here Has got to stop.

If you are going to close something that was made by the forums, and something that was actually worth talking about. How about giving us a reason and not just say "its closed" or "thread closed"

That leaves me to think. That just because a thread doesnt seem fit to you, You don't want us talking in it.

[Sombolia]

Yeahhh, I didn't quite understand why the Smoking thread was closed. Someone care to fill me in?

[ChildOfThePride]

Dude, I'm talking about the duplicate threads, like "not this again". Instead of saying that, why can't they just merge the threads? Obviously, if they say it's a 'not this again' then they can just as easily merge that with the existing thread. More often than not there's a duplicate thread.

Also, there needs to be less 'personal' reasons for closing a thread. Or at least find a more diplomatic way to put it....Neph saying 'HEY REMEMBER WHEN NEPH MADE THAT REALLY COOL ADVICE THREAD' isn't going to help an already stressful situation....Just quietly merge the threads and let it be done.

[Juniper]

Yeah, I kinda have to agree about the closing of that thread, I see absolutely no reason why it couldn't have stayed open outside of personal biases against the subject. It was neither obscene, nor inappropriate otherwise; the only thing I could have seen that would have possibly justified it was Utora and I's little micro-scuff, and we took that off the forum, solved it, and got on with our lives. I just don't get it, guys; I mean, we allow threads on gay marriage and the like that can be very personally damaging to someone who's basically having their worth to society and civil rights therein debated, but we can't have a smoking thread? I'm not accusing someone, but I think there was something else playing in on that one.

[Sombolia]

Originally posted by ChildOfThePride
Also, there needs to be less 'personal' reasons for closing a thread. Or at least find a more diplomatic way to put it....Neph saying 'HEY REMEMBER WHEN NEPH MADE THAT REALLY COOL ADVICE THREAD' isn't going to help an already stressful situation....Just quietly merge the threads and let it be done.

Yes, but I think regardless of stress, people should still be expected to follow the rules. It's right there, it's pinned, it's pretty damn noticable - I think there's a right to be pissed off if everyone keeps ignoring it.

[ChildOfThePride]

But Sombolia, instead of saying those things, wouldn't it just be easier to merge the threads? Honestly....It's like three clicks. Not too big of a deal, and if you've got enough time to police the boards you certainly have enough time to make two little clicks.

[Juniper]

I'm also a bit concerned that it just seems like we, the members, are starting to lose faith in the moderating staff. Just because Nathalie isn't here is no reason why the forum can't run like clockwork; if there's a thread that needs dealt with (and you have a good reason to deal with it), close it. If another moderator sees it fit that the thread be re-opened, then they can take it up with the person that closed it and get it worked out; same with a member wanting the thread re-opened.* Also, there's no reason why moderators need to be making excessive decisions based on the fact that they were "offended", especially when that member makes an honest effort to mend the wounds they caused, and past that, it seems petty. It seems like it's a matter of "I've got the power, you don't, don't tread on me"; regardless of whether that's the case or not, that's a general feeling that I've noticed is growing amongst at least a dozen or so members, and most likely more. If we lose faith in the staff, regardless of whether they've done something wrong or not, it needs fixed, and the only way to fix that is to gain our trust back (which takes time, it can't be done in a day, week, or even month to a full extent).


A more personal issue I have is that at least two of the moderators love using big words when dealing with an issue. Now, that's nothing bad in of itself, but when dealing with people that may be losing faith in the staff, it seems a bit degrading to be using words that require a trip to the dictionary. It doesn't make anyone a bad person, but that's just my personal recommendation, as it could seem like you're trying to sound better than that person being dealt with when you're doing something that involves enforcing the rules. Again, I love it when people use the english language to its fullest extent, but there's a time and a place when it's not appropriate. And it's not just that, some other moderators seem to quote the person from a different thread and shove that in their face; that's just being immature. When dealing with the issue, it should be dealt with in a way that the person in question can relate to, so that they get what's going on, and I don't mean that justifies quoting them out of spite.

*On that tangent, I'd like the request that the smoking thread be re-opened.

[Aurelian]

Well, you guys have one less mod to worry about. Effective this moment, I am resigning from my position as moderator.

This is long time in coming for me. Lea has comletly lost it's beauty to me. I have lost almost all of my freinds, and today, I was hurt worse then I ever have been in my life. When I found mysel crying because one of my best best freinds stabbed me in the back because "...you are a mod", I knew it was he end of the road. I have no regrests, as I have been miserable for awhile now. As much as I like helping to keep the forum clean and peaceful, I find myself unable to do my job, and I am going emotionally insane.

[ChildOfThePride]

Roquivo, please don't resign. You were one of the mods I respected here.

Instead of relieving yourself of the moderating position, please, just ditch that 'friend'...

[Juniper]

That wasn't the point of my bringing this thread back, Roquivo, I wanted to help avoid this situation by having the members and mods talk about it. Bud, we're all human, we all get emotional, I'll be the first to raise my hand to that one. You're not a bad mod, and I'm not gonna make you cahnge your mind, but give it a bit more thought. We, lea, need to stick together now, not draw apart.

You're still a person, and if another is harrassing you, then that needs dealt with. I don't know the situation, so I can't say much on it, but you should command the same respect as anyone else, and you do not deserve to be treated like dirt. Likewise though, I'd make sure that person actually intended what you are thinking they intended, miscommunications happen very easily over the internet

[Kovu The Lion]

I want to know this.

Why the heck is Reporting people gotten so popular now? I mean I didn't see anyone post this

"Oh yeah, and reported you offend me."

"Reported because its offensive"

"Reported because you are harassing."

What is up with people and reporting now, It seems now no matter what you do, or what you say. Or at least for me it is. That if you don't read over 5 times what you post, you might be reported for it because it "offends" someone. It seems now you can't even state you're own opinions on a certain topic or two, because you're opinions on somethign might not agree with someone elses and they get all whiney and ticked off, and report you.

I want to know what got people back into reporting people. IF you had a problem with people about 3 months ago, you would talk to them on a messenger or in PMs and settle things there, and then everything was afine and we went on. Now everyones reporting each other like this is world war 3 or something. I mean come on really.

If everyone keeps reporting each other, there will be nomore members in Lea left. :| It seems a bit ridiculous to report people, especially if you are a Moderator, because you are reporting them, To yourselves... I mean.. Really..xX
and it seems now with every post I make I have to add this

By the way, This post is not meant to harm anyone, or point fingers or hurt someone in any way at all. It is my opinion on the subject and its how I feel.

And sometimes, still you get reported if you posted that.

and so once again

I didn't mean any harm in this thread, I just wanna know whats up..

Also, this thread was not made by me to stir up trouble, so if any flames come into It, I will personally delete it for you guys (the mods) ;P

~KTL

[Azerane]

Originally posted by pntbll248
if there's a thread that needs dealt with (and you have a good reason to deal with it), close it. If another moderator sees it fit that the thread be re-opened, then they can take it up with the person that closed it and get it worked out; same with a member wanting the thread re-opened.*

I just want to highlight that point. Because it's absolutly right.

[TakaTiger]

its not that hard not to get reported, i dont beleve i have ever gotten reported, and know alot of people here who never have... so that something for you to figure out

[Kovu The Lion]

Originally posted by TakaTiger
its not that hard not to get reported, i dont beleve i have ever gotten reported, and know alot of people here who never have... so that something for you to figure out

I know its not hard. But it seems to me, if you post you're opinion in a topic, at least someone is going to be offended, meaning they can report.

I just dont' understand why we have threads.. Umm hmm like, things asking about two different sides of a story, or opinion on a certain topic, like smoking, or a debate, at least one person has to be offended.. One person always is.. and one person always reports...

~KTL

[Utora]

Originally posted by Kovu The Lion
I want to know this.

Why the heck is Reporting people gotten so popular now? I mean I didn't see anyone post this

"Oh yeah, and reported you offend me."

"Reported because its offensive"

"Reported because you are harassing."

What is up with people and reporting now, It seems now no matter what you do, or what you say. Or at least for me it is. That if you don't read over 5 times what you post, you might be reported for it because it "offends" someone. It seems now you can't even state you're own opinions on a certain topic or two, because you're opinions on somethign might not agree with someone elses and they get all whiney and ticked off, and report you.

I want to know what got people back into reporting people. IF you had a problem with people about 3 months ago, you would talk to them on a messenger or in PMs and settle things there, and then everything was afine and we went on. Now everyones reporting each other like this is world war 3 or something. I mean come on really.

If everyone keeps reporting each other, there will be nomore members in Lea left. :| It seems a bit ridiculous to report people, especially if you are a Moderator, because you are reporting them, To yourselves... I mean.. Really..xX
and it seems now with every post I make I have to add this



And sometimes, still you get reported if you posted that.

and so once again

I didn't mean any harm in this thread, I just wanna know whats up..

Also, this thread was not made by me to stir up trouble, so if any flames come into It, I will personally delete it for you guys (the mods) ;P

~KTL

LEA is emotional currently. You notice alot of the oldies hangin' around, still breathin' good air. The new folk start things up, and this bothers alot of peeps. Between last year of this time, and this date - alot of crock has gone down and there's been this shift in lea. The mentallity has swerved much. I don't see lea as a TLK oriented place anymore, as much as I'd like to be and then some, I think it's kind of lost that effect.

So people are always in the hot seat, gotta best the next man. I said something and now I want a reason to report it. If you've ever been to a hobo's area - they're constantly fighting like this. They got nothing better to do than fight their homeless neighbour.

EDIT : Freedom of speech is now, "Say it = war." . Everyones on a tip of a pin ready for action , alot of folks are emmo. There's no character here.

[Juniper]

I have to agree, guys. Lea's been acting pretty pathetic lately. This whole, "I don't like what you said so I'm gonna tattle on you" crap needs to stop; seems like everyone's out to complain. How many threads have been closed this week? or this month? Too many, guys, and it's starting to get a tad annoying.

I'm not accusing any one person, I'm to blame as well, but there's a complete lack of respect for eachother on this forum. We're literally bickering like little children in threads nowadays. Look, we say we're mature adults, but if I was a person standing outside looking in, I'd be thinking it's time to change all our diapers right about now.

So here's what we're gonna do if we want this solved:

1. We're gonna realize that every person on here is a living, breathing person. They love, hate, hope, and cry. Yes, this is just an internet forum, but some people rely on it more than others, and that just has to be accepted. Likewise, we all act a bit emotional at times, let's accept that, work through it, and take it in stride. I've been very emotional lately, I'm trying to work through that, but we all have to realize that everyone is human.

2. We're going to start realizing what we're doing before we do it. Before we report a post, we need to ask ourselves why we're reporting it. Is it because we're angry and want to get back at the person? Is it because the person attacked you in a way that legitimately breaks the rules? Is there another option to defuse the situation that would not involve a moderator's intervention? Does the crime fit the punishment?

3. If we do report a person, we're going to realize that there's no reason to get in the last word, the situation will be dealt with. There's no reason to say "Reported you to the mods", that's just being petty to do so in public; go to the person through PM and let them know.

4. We're going to let that person be in the future. Chances are, we had something to do with that person getting worked up, and we don't want to contribute to that in the future if we're really just concerned with our well-being on the forum. We realize that every person is responsible for his/her actions, but we don't want to egg that person on.

[Vidan]

I don't see a problem with reporting something as long as it's something you think violates the Pride Rules, decency, or common sense.

In other words, something that a moderator can actually do something about.

You can feel free to let another member know by PM or in a thread itself that you aren't comfortable with something he or she said, as long as you word it simply and don't flame him or her. Plan on forgiving them or at least letting it go if they apologize or express some regret, or if it's a one-time deal.

It isn't the moderators' job to restrict people's opinions into a politically-correct little box, so we can't always act on every post that is reported. Additionally, people will always have different opinions. It's a fact of life.

Think before you press the button. Post-reporting abuse is a no-no in forum etiquette. Feel free to use it if you have to, but use your own good judgement and don't jump the gun.

[Juniper]

@Vidan: I think the issue is more a problem with reporting abuse, though it's not just limited to reporting things via the "Report this post to a moderator" button. It's threatening to report something, or using that as a means of compromise. It's also just a blatant case of "I wanna be right" syndrome, that has nothing to do with reporting people at all.

I'm personally getting the vibe of a general feeling of this forum degrading. That feeling's been around for a while, and seems to flare up from time to time, but it's been increasing steadily throughout the years this forum has existed. It may be due in part to old members remembering how the forum used to be, a family, and new members seeing the forum for what it is now, a forum. It also seems to be just plain immaturity. Hell, I remember a year and a half ago, moderation was lenient, members regarded eachother as a second family, and this place just didn't have as many issues. With more people, that's changed, and I think it's turned into a battle of wits nowadays.

[Kovu The Lion]

Originally posted by Vidan
I don't see a problem with reporting something as long as it's something you think violates the Pride Rules, decency, or common sense.

That is the problem though (Not tryign to call you out Vidan)

Some people post things "I'm reporting you" For something that wasn't even against the Pride Rules!

Sure harassing people is against the Pride Rules, but giving you're opinion about a group In whole isn't considered harassment seeing you didn't call that person that name or said something about them. You just state what you think, and just because it offends them because they are part of that opinion, they report you.. and say it offended them, and.. yeah it goes from there

I agree, 100% with Pnt on this..

~KTL

[Vidan]

(EDITED)

@ KTL, Pnt: Okay. I'm not a moderator of Scar's Lair so I don't see the bulk of reported posts, so I'm not sure how many of these threats actually turn into real reported posts, and how many of these reported posts actually violated the pride rules.

I'll put it very simply: threatening to report someone is effectively useless. Either you just go ahead and press the button, or take a deep breath and let it go.

Just don't report anything that we moderators can't do anything about, or is so petty that we won't do anything about it. If you're not sure where the line is drawn, take a step back and think about it from our perspective.