Religon (again, sorry)

[unregistered user]

Well, it's a rather long story. Has to do with the fact i studied them in History at the same time.....and failed the test...and never got it stright lol.....ouch.

[Aurelian]

Originally posted by pntbll248
Christian.

I believe that the bible is a guide, not a science book or a list of rules. I tend to follow the messages of the bible (ie, Love thy neighbor, Love God, get along with eachother, find happiness in God, unconditional forgiveness/love etc...) instead of single passages (ie, gay people are going to hell, allow slavery, women are under the authority of men) because single passages can be translated and interpreted in many different ways. I also tend to take into account the culture of the time when a book of the bible was written and the original language/other possible or probable translations for the words. I think people worry way too much about being a "Good" christian and thus ruin the whole point of being Christian in the first place. I don't think religion can be proven or disproven by science, and I don't think science alone can add meaning to life. As a side note, I believe in evolution Finally, I respect everyone else's religion and don't try to tell peope they're wrong; to mess with someone else's religion is just not acceptable in my mind.

I also don't think God is the Great Smiter, waiting to pull his .44 magnum on anyone who messes up. We all mess up constantly and it's be expected and not to dwell on. Likewise, I think we should forgive eachother of our faults and wrong-doings because we're all human.

Awsome! My beliefs fall right in line with yours, Pnt! Right to the last period!

[Alli]

Originally posted by pntbll248
Christian.

I believe that the bible is a guide, not a science book or a list of rules. I tend to follow the messages of the bible (ie, Love thy neighbor, Love God, get along with eachother, find happiness in God, unconditional forgiveness/love etc...) instead of single passages (ie, gay people are going to hell, allow slavery, women are under the authority of men) because single passages can be translated and interpreted in many different ways. I also tend to take into account the culture of the time when a book of the bible was written and the original language/other possible or probable translations for the words. I think people worry way too much about being a "Good" christian and thus ruin the whole point of being Christian in the first place. I don't think religion can be proven or disproven by science, and I don't think science alone can add meaning to life. As a side note, I believe in evolution Finally, I respect everyone else's religion and don't try to tell peope they're wrong; to mess with someone else's religion is just not acceptable in my mind.

I also don't think God is the Great Smiter, waiting to pull his .44 magnum on anyone who messes up. We all mess up constantly and it's be expected and not to dwell on. Likewise, I think we should forgive eachother of our faults and wrong-doings because we're all human.

I very, VERY much agree with you on this, except i personally don't believe in evolution. But you are so totally right. Why would somebody who we call out father purposefull take you children to heaven? Or sen the planes into the two towers? It's not gods doing at all, it's what mankind is doign to itself and i sometimes don't understand why people blame god for their fellow mankinds actions. I mean, yes, he has the power to stop these things but the whole reason he let us live after adam and eve sinned was to see how we could rule ourselves without his complete protection. And now we see that it's corrupt and that we'll never have a perfect system without him. God's our father, and the bible tells us countless times he loves us. I don't believe he would make people die just for him to have them in heaven.

And i don't believe in hell. I believe that those who seriously sin will recieve god's judgement but if you sin, you won't be automatically sent to hell. I mean, it's just like my earlier statement. Why would he do that to you if your sins are to him, forgivable if we ask for forgiveness. It just doesn't make sense what some ppl think, but that, i guess to them it does and they don't get my beliefs, lol.

[lion_roog]

Originally posted by pntbll248
the original language/other possible or probable translations for the words.

A friend, who has read the Bible in it's original language, told me that the English text and the original texts have many differences....mainly due to the difficulty in translating different words and phrases, I guess...



My personal belief is that you will be judged based on how you judge others. And that's why I will rarely ever judge people, because I don't like to be judged...but sometimes you are forced to judge.

[Ralli]

I'm agnostic. I think it's impossible to know whether there is a god or not. *shrugs* Though I'm torn between it and atheism. I'm not going to go into it. It's weird, though, since I was raised a hardcore Christian. Just the things I've seen in the world makes me not believe in any religion. It all seems outrageous and nonsense to me.


But I most certainly respect other peoples' religions, despite my great disliking of any religion. If they have one, whoohoo, but I'm not going to say they're wrong or anything. If they leave me be and accept me for who I am, I'll do the same to them.


Random fact: *twitch* I was nearly converted back by this one guy who I'm practically in love with. Gave me really good reasons why Christianity is 'right'. Then he insisted that I had demons in me because I'm bisexual. And that really pushed me away from converting. Ah, he was so close. Very odd how I'm still in love with this guy despite his saying I have demons in me and is strongly against my sexuality. Haha.


And I bet you anything that someone will reply to this agreeing with him.


EDIT: I r a gud spelr.

[unregistered user]

Originally posted by Ralli
It's weird, though, since I was raised a hardcore Christian.

Weird, indeed! I too; was a steadfast Christian throughout my early upbringing. -- I was more of a protrusive sensationalist, than an idealistic one.

But eventually, I was deterred by other cosmopolitan teachings. Christianity -- just showed me way too much pessimism, so it became woefully discontent; in time it eluded me, nearly completely. (maybe -- I just don't understand it comprehensively enough; or whatnot)...

But anyway...

[Shadow]

i dont belive in anything ecsept my own belive..."but thats no book our any rules"

why?...becuse i dont want a book to say how i shuld live

there are maney views on the bible and outher belives i respect there belive and arent telling them that its right our wrong (but here is my view on it)


i dont want a religion our book telling me whats right and wrong.....

if we takes Gays and Bisexuals for exsample.....i dont rimember witch but on one religion it says something that there are from the devol our deserving to go there our something....personal i got several gay and bi pals....and i dont want a religion telling me that they arnt normal and arnt worhf to walk on this erhf.....

same whit outher things.....you must do this...you must do that our you will got to hell our haven.......i mean....you arnt able to make your own dessicens abut ppl....becuse your religion says that its wrong.....

besides i dont want enternal life in haven there everything is white and every one is skiping around being happy and nothing happens......am sorry but i just dont want a religon telling me how i shuld live my life our what to belive in.....

but yes...some things are usefull....but if we take god for exsample...if you are down our something and you pray god to help you....and then all sudenly your ok again....then you thank god....and not yourself....but in the end....nothing is helping you but yourself.....

PLEASE ALL TAKE NOTICE

that am not saying your wrong our right and some things are usefull in the religions.....but as i said befure everyone has there own opinion and ways of looking at it....now this is my way and am not saying that am right and your wrong our anything.....am just saying what i belive.....if you belive in god great ^^ belive in him...if you belive in an outher fantastic becuse what ever you belive i respect it...."as long as its not this exstrimly crazy things ".....

[W-Eyed-Wanderer]

I voted agnostic...the girl I love is a devout Christian and I'm still not sure if we can be together because of this...but I'm hoping she's liberal enough to allow us.

I believe in a higher power, I'm just not willing to give it a name like other organised religions do. Most of the religious texts are just written by man and so are inherently dishonest and evil...it's what being human is about. My best friend is gay so I'm hardly going to agree with the 'all gays go to hell' thing...actually there's quite a few things I disagree with in organised religion...

There are a lot of things I respect and agree with in the texts of organised religions but there are a few things that just stink of humanity and so are not worth believing in....the concubines rule in the bible being one of them...

I'm yet to make up my mind, essentially I'm leaving the thoughts about life after death until I'm dead - the only time you can be sure.

Incidentally, has anyone else had to choose between love and religion, if so, what did you choose?

[Juniper]

I'm bi and I still follow the Christian religion

I just tell people that what I do is between me and God

[Aurelian]

On the whole bisexual and homosexual issue, I have some unique beliefs. The bible says that marriage is a blessed union between man and woman. However, the bible never says what marraige isn't. It is entirely possible that in the time that the bible was written, bisexuality and homosexuality was unheard off, which is why it isn't mentioned. Therefor, same sex relationships and marriages are not forbidden by the Word, as most people *coughGeorgeBushCough* say. I have nothing against homosexuality. In fact, my sister is lesbian.

Again, it's all about interpretation.

[unregistered user]

There is also a part in the bible that says, "Man shall fall into sin, and become like the beasts of the earth. Man shall lust for one another, and do sinful things.Woman shall lust for one another, and do sinful things."
If ye be wantin' the specific verse, I'm sure I could dig it up

[W-Eyed-Wanderer]

So Queeny Utora...do you believe that?

There's a lot of things in the bible that contradict each other and don't really make much sense in the modern world. I always believe if people are truly Christian they would be accepting of all humans...but hey, what do I know?, I don't even go to church...*ahem*

[Dare]

Originally posted by Utora
There is also a part in the bible that says, "Man shall fall into sin, and become like the beasts of the earth. Man shall lust for one another, and do sinful things.Woman shall lust for one another, and do sinful things."
If ye be wantin' the specific verse, I'm sure I could dig it up

Oooo...I wonder what the "sinful things" are?


*slaps herself* Bwah, sorry.

I don't recall that specific verse though...at least not verbatim. Is it from Paul's letter to the Romans?

[unregistered user]

Lemme look it up, [I'm horrible at locating] 10 mins....brb

[Aurelian]

Originally posted by Utora
There is also a part in the bible that says, "Man shall fall into sin, and become like the beasts of the earth. Man shall lust for one another, and do sinful things.Woman shall lust for one another, and do sinful things."
If ye be wantin' the specific verse, I'm sure I could dig it up

All men/women do sinfull things. Just because the words are used in the same sentence doesn't mean that the lust is the sin. Aren't all sins supposed to go against the Ten Commandments? There is no commandment saying "Thou shalt not have sexual contact with another of the same gender." However, it is also possible that you have it right, Utora. The only one who can be truly sure if being homosexual is a sin is God himself.

Since I am not homosexual or bisexual, I'll let those who are take their own chances.

[W-Eyed-Wanderer]

And furthermore...if God is accepting of all humankind, why would he have a problem with homosexuals? Man wrote the bible and I'm sure at least a few of the rules were written for the sake of conformity...

I don't think I fall into any of the minority groups that are singled out by the bible but I still feel I should fight the cause for them if we are to have a level-headed religious debate.

As far as I'm concerned if a religion is so strong that it means two people that love each other can't be together then it's gone too far. Just my opinion of course...

[unregistered user]

I get what yer sayin' Roqy Definitly.However I've been asked lots of questions upon where I stand on Homosexuality, and all that jazz. Once again, God is the judger of sin. I don't hate peeps that like are bi or gay, don't get me wrong.

To answer Wikcet:

Romans 1:21-27

21:For although they knew God, they neither glorified Him as God nor gave thanx to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22:Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23:and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.
24:Therefore God gave them over in the sunful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25:They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator-who is forever praised. Amen.
26:Because of this, god gave them over to sinful lusts. Even their woman exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones.27:In the same way the men also abandoned natualr relations with woman and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men commited indecent acts with other men, and recieved in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.


Now, I have met a man at my church who was one a bi, or gay, or whatever it is. He struggled, he battled, left his wife, and returned to her eventually after discovering God. He said himself, that even to this day does he lust [Thus proving Roqy saying Just because the words are used in the same sentence doesn't mean that the lust is the sin.] but he now runs the Biggest Chrisitian Help Line for Bi's and Gays. He still struggles, but, I think I cannot express this any more because I'm not bi, or gay, and don't truly know how to get on the same level.
But I don't hate bi's or gay's. And you can still be a Christian and be one of the two, but I believe that it is a sin some peeps have to deal with. and only God can help you. Amen.

[W-Eyed-Wanderer]

As much as I love you Utora you will never get me to agree with the bible's take on homosexuals. How would you feel if it said all black people were sinful? Becuase it might as well...

It's a human creation and it acts like a game of Chinese whispers...the laws of Cristianity have probably changed many times in translation and interpretation so can you really take a modern bible as gospel?

It's exactly the same as bullying in a playground of all people with glasses are geeks...it's just human nature to hate everything that isn't the same as them. All that said I'm currently hoping to win over a very Christian family to accept me as a non-Christian so I suppose it's at the forefront of my mind right now...

[Xinithian]

Originally posted by Utora

Now, I have met a man at my church who was one a bi, or gay, or whatever it is. He struggled, he battled, left his wife, and returned to her eventually after discovering God. He said himself, that even to this day does he lust [Thus proving Roqy saying Just because the words are used in the same sentence doesn't mean that the lust is the sin.] but he now runs the Biggest Chrisitian Help Line for Bi's and Gays. He still struggles, but, I think I cannot express this any more because I'm not bi, or gay, and don't truly know how to get on the same level.
But I don't hate bi's or gay's. And you can still be a Christian and be one of the two, but I believe that it is a sin some peeps have to deal with. and only God can help you. Amen.

But the thing is, why do gays and bisexual people need help? Why is it so wrong? The only reason that I can come up with is because of society. Otherwise, what do you lose in a gay relationship, other than a son? Also, probably when they interpreted it later, maybe the church wanted more children so they would collect the money from them (like how priests can't be married), and gay relationships would mean less money for them.

[Aurelian]

Wow, OK! Somehow, in all my readings of the Bible, I missed that section. I never thought of homosexuality as a curse.

But, if God cursed us with homosexuality, wouldn't he expect some of his children to be just that?



I think that if somebody is attracted to people of the same gender, they can't just decide to go strait. I know that I could never love another man. When God put people in that position, I am sure he knew what he was doing. What he wants from them, he will have to explain to them himself.

Utora, thank you for opening me eyes there.

WEW, I have to disagree with you on your last post. It is why a group was created, not the fact that they are a minority, that makes them "sinfull. Would you say the same thing for Nazis? The KKK? The Mafia? Al Queda? I don't think so. These groups were formed for the reason of mass murdering people, and should never be compared to race, religion, color, age, gender, or even sexual preference.As for whether being homosexual or bisexual is sinfull, I supposed that is between God and those individuals.