http://fanart.lionking.org/Artists/S...estPreview.jpg
http://neopets.com/beauty/details.phtml?pet=Nukaah
*sigh*
Some people really piss me off.
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http://fanart.lionking.org/Artists/S...estPreview.jpg
http://neopets.com/beauty/details.phtml?pet=Nukaah
*sigh*
Some people really piss me off.
I can't see it. I'm not on neopets and don't want to be. Will someone take a pic for me and PM it or something? http://img282.echo.cx/img282/9669/kimismilie19qq.png
they look kind of different, why do you say they are the same? Thats a awesome piccy though!
I don't really see why these people can't be even bothered to produce their own work instead of copying from others. Art theives really need to learn... seriously. It's obvious this person's just flipped Sarafina's pic over, traced over it and added their own little features like colours, markings etc.
:grrr: :die:
For Suki.
Yeah, I agree KS. v_v
Thankies. http://img282.echo.cx/img282/4743/kimismilie59yc.pngQuote:
Ugh, what a loser. Can't think of anything better to do. That's very unsmart of that person
Problem is, even if we DID tell Sarafina, she's hasn't been around so long that she probably went to a 5 year vacation in the Bahammas. :lol:
EDIT: Anybody up for a rampage to destroy her sick mind? :D
http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail128.html
I don't believe it was traced.. it's possible.. but I doubt it. Still, it is VERY similar.
meh hate em..hate em...hate em....ok iI'm done give me my bottle time for this boozemen to go to work I think mwahaaa :evilgrin:
I think it was. They did a horrible job on tracing, if ya ask me. And they think no one knows? Ha, whatever. http://img282.echo.cx/img282/5374/kimismilie93lw.pngQuote:
Originally posted by Ravoc
I don't believe it was traced..
Sorry to be off topic a little, but yes, I do have more Kimi smilies. :jejeje:......um....yeah. O_o
In order for something to be consider art theft, it has to be less than 20% original and more than 80% someone else's. I'd say that's far more than 20% original. If you wanna get technical, every person who draws Simba, Nala, or any other TLK character is just as much as a "thief" as any other, because they are drawing a copyrighted character that another artist came up with; usually without permission.
It wasn't traced, the head is in a completely different position and the flower is bending the opposite direction. The artist would have had to have cropped the image, rotated it 180*, mirrored it, scaled it down, added a different ear scheme, adjusted the muzzle to be less accurate, widened the entire face, squashed it down (forehead to chin), and added their own facial details. Plus, the tongue isn't a seperate object in the one being accused of art theft, the vertical upper lip line isn't present, and the eye showing perspective (the one farthest away that you can't see very well) doesn't have perspective that matches the corresponding eye in Sarafina's pic at all. That's more than 20%.
Ooh, busted! http://img282.echo.cx/img282/2156/kimismilie31sv.pngQuote:
Originally posted by pntbll248
In order for something to be consider art theft, it has to be less than 20% original and more than 80% someone else's. I'd say that's far more than 20% original. If you wanna get technical, every person who draws Simba, Nala, or any other TLK character is just as much as a "thief" as any other, because they are drawing a copyrighted character that another artist came up with; usually without permission.
...how do you people not see that they traced it?
And it is obviously an art theft.
Yeah, I don't think I'd consider that theft. It looks at best to be a copy, but EVERYBODY does that in some degree.
EDIT: I was gonna point out all those lil differences that clearly show it wasnt traced, but Pnt did that for me.
I reported that person.
Fanart is different than art theft.*hides*
I see that they didn't trace it because of simple geometry. It's just not the same picture because there's too many major differences, some that are impossible to get as wrong as she did if she was copying it (how the head is in a completely different position). Because she would have had to have rotated the cropped head 180* and then mirrored it, the picture would have seemed incorrect. That's because when you turn something upside down, the other side of the brain registers the drawing more than the side of the brain that drew it. The head is also being looked at from a different point of view on each one that's impossible to gain from the original picture. Also, the legs across the chest are very very different in each picture; one implies the leg is across the chest (sarafina's) and one implies that they are straight, but not actually crossing the chest (like the lioness is laying on her side instead of her back).
Accusing someone of theft is a very heavy moral charge and can completely ruin an artist's credibility. It's possible that she used the picture as a reference, but that's not a crime and it's not even morally wrong, because an artist cannot stop someone from getting an idea from their art. It is virtually impossible, however, that she traced it.
Thank you. u_uQuote:
Originally posted by Katse
I reported that person.
Fanart is different than art theft.*hides*
I reported them also. You have a neopets username?
Maybe, just maybe, a person who draws in a TLK style like the Lion King? And maybe, just maybe, that person likes Nuak, but the name was already taken?
You guys must not understand how bad it is to be labeled an art thief. If the artist is a professional, it's usually the end of their career. If the artist is in it just to draw, they'll be branded for the rest of their artistic life. You can't go around calling someone an art thief for mediocre reasons; remember what happened in Salem a long time ago when people called eachother witches? It makes me sick to my stomach to see how easily some people are willing to accuse another artist of theft for a picture that is impossible to have been traced in the way that it was. But I don't think it matters what I say, I could have all the proof in the world that the pictures are different; hell, one of them could be a dragon and the other a bowl of soup, and some people here may still call it art theft. Why? Because humans like accusing people. For the people who reported her: You just passed judgement on a person, and possibly branded them as a thief for life or even took away any chance they could have had to be a professional artist, without even looking at the evidence that they didn't do it. You threw aside any and all proof that they were innocent, no matter how solid the evidence was, and if the person you reported it to decides to pursue it, the artist is ruined.
Precisely what Pnt just said. There are too many difference for it to have been traced. Like Pnt already said, I believe the first pic was a reference only
Well, it's way too similar for me. I really don't think the neopets "artist" should get any credit for ithe picture.
Well EXCUSE ME, Pntbll. I'm sorry for being such a horrible, horrible person. -_-;
I think it's traced, it's far too close not to be, only the ear and the cheek are off abit.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v96/va-kasi/trace.jpg
Anyway, I really think this should be left for Sarafina to deal with. It's her art, She can decide :)
I agree, Va-kasi. PERFECT way to point it out! ^_^ I mean, I know the details aren't EXACTLY the same, but still.
And I was going to e-mail Sarafina, but I figured she wouldn't be bothered with an art theft from Neopets.
It's still not similar enough to be considered art theft, it's too risky to risk that artist's credibility. The fact that they put facial differences, the ears, the chin, the jaw, and meere dimensions of the pic (look at the rectangular shape of each picture) are too much. The ear itself may not seem like much, but it's a major landmark of the head that would effect the entire image if it was off balance. It may have happened, but it's not enough to accuse someone. Take both images, crop them to where they are the same, rotate them and all that, and then flash them back and forth on top of eachother. There's more of a difference than that picture implies.
In my opinion, if it's similar enough that I can think of the exact picture it was copied form, I have a right to accuse.
Not everyone is an expert at tracing, so you can't expect every detail to be exact.
I think you all need to step back and cool off. A traced picture is nothing to get worked up over. Several people have reported them to NeoPets manager, so they will decide what happenes. Either way, you don't have to worry about about lableing, Pntbll. No one said anything to the NeoPets general public, so this will remain confidential between the artist and NeoPets administration.
Finally, you shouldn't judge sombody without hearing their side of the story. I am sure this Nuukah ment no harm by using Sarafina's picture as an outline. They probably just liked the flower idea. I am sure that if Sarafina confronted them about it, they would take it down witout a second thought. I am also sure the Sarafina wouldn'ty care about someone who traced her picture for fun. In fact, she may even be flattered that sombody liked her art that much.
Was the lion king art theft because nearly every person who's ever seen Kimba the White Lion knows that it probably comes from that movie? *Reports Disney*
@ Roquivo: They've been labeled here; it's no longer between the admins and the artist in question.
Wow, I didn't think this was going to be such a big deal. u_u
Why any time I post something, it blows up in my face?
Eh.. don't worry about it Cerise. Though I do disagree with you about the topic at hand.. all we are are people bhind computer screens hundreds or even thousands of miles away from ya ^^ If someone is ticking you off or something, forget it ;)Quote:
Originally posted by Cerise
Wow, I didn't think this was going to be such a big deal. u_u
Why any time I post something, it blows up in my face?
The internet is no reason to get sad, angry, etc.. I have sadly learnt that lessont he hard way, and still learn it fromt ime to time.
But seriously don't worry about what anyone else has to say about it. You stated your opinion =) If others disagree.. so what? ^^
I just don't think it's right to be putting the verdict on someone who is not even able to defend themselves.
As for being labled here, Pnt, then isn't it still between the artist, Nukaah, and the acuser, Cerise? Unless you are some kind of online lawyer, how does anything you say have any impact on the situation?
I am not taking sides or acusing anybody of anything. I just don't think this situation even belongs in this forum. It should have been reported strait to Sarafina, so she could decide how to handle it. It is her decision to acuse the artists, not mine, yours, Cerice's, nor anyone elses here.
I guess this would belong more at Lilymud, since it's the TLKFAA messageboard, but it's down and I kind of forgot that this place has no connection with TLKFAA.
It's ok Cerise, It's a good thing you're looking out for other artists :)
I agree with you that it's too similar to be considered as "original art" but all also agree with Roquivo that I don't think they meant any harm by referencing Sarafina's art.
However I guess they'll learn from it (being reported I mean).
Yup Time to Take out the Bamm Hammer, and take them down.
Four words, Cerise: Men will be men. http://img282.echo.cx/img282/5374/kimismilie93lw.pngQuote:
Originally posted by Cerise
Wow, I didn't think this was going to be such a big deal. u_u
Why any time I post something, it blows up in my face?
(No hard feelings, guys! Just making a lame joke, lol ;) )
Eh, it's happened to me lots of times (being blown up in the face by guys), so just letting you know I've been through it too. Just don't start getting extrememly mad like me. After that, it changes your opinon on a person. : /
What do you mean by "being blown up in the face by guys"? Anyways, if you post something that's opinionated, always expect some opposite views and a debate. And unless if there's personal attacks in a debate, you shouldn't dislike somebody just because of their views.Quote:
Originally posted by Suki
Eh, it's happened to me lots of times (being blown up in the face by guys), so just letting you know I've been through it too. Just don't start getting extrememly mad like me. After that, it changes your opinon on a person. : /
I didn't mean to put it in a bad way. And who asked you anyways? (j/k) And I don't dislike people becuse of their veiws.Quote:
Originally posted by Xinithian
What do you mean by "being blown up in the face by guys"? Anyways, if you post something that's opinionated, always expect some opposite views and a debate. And unless if there's personal attacks in a debate, you shouldn't dislike somebody just because of their views.
*cough* getting out of hand *cough*
IN MY OWN OPINION: i think that the picture is traced. I believe that the person SHOULD have cited Sarafina. About it being art theft, i'm left in the middle. It's kinda taking the picture but indirectly.
She wasn't here to defend herself against being charged as a thief before five hundred people, I'm not gonna sit by and let someone be railroaded like that. If Cerise opens a thread on this forum, then it's between anyone on the forum. I'm on this forum, so therefore I have a say in it. If someone opens a thread condeming a person as a thief, then I, being on this forum, have all the right and ability to address my concerns about the fact that some people are willing to ruin an artist without them even being here to defend themselves. If you don't like that, well, then I guess you're out of luckQuote:
Originally posted by Roquivo
As for being labled here, Pnt, then isn't it still between the artist, Nukaah, and the acuser, Cerise? Unless you are some kind of online lawyer, how does anything you say have any impact on the situation?
Wow...
Um, she obviously isn't a real "artist" if she has to copy someone else's work.
I forgot that this isn't the TLKFAA messageboard, so forgive me for posting this.
Yeah, I don't really expect someone who isn't an artist to understand. But I don't see why pntbll is getting so upset over it. Oh well.
Pntbll is an artist, as am I ;) So I think we understand
However I believe this topic is become a bit over heated. Let's try to keep it calm please? Thanks ^^
Well at least she likes your art.
Not an artist. Right. Just because I don't post my art here doesn't mean I'm not an artist.
I'm not really that worked up, I was sitting here eating a friggin drumstick ice cream and watching Discovery Channel when I was typing all that. Now, I'm about tired of a few people on MSN telling me I'm being mean and certainly tired of this "OmG!!11!1 Calm Down!!!!!!!!" attitude that someone always gets on this forum. Of course, I won't apologize for how I sound, that's how I speak in real life.