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Personally I think this is fair, seeing what atrocioties this dude has done. But death by hanging just makes me feel ill.. its inhuman but would ya call him human having done what hes done?
What do you guys think?
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Personally I think this is fair, seeing what atrocioties this dude has done. But death by hanging just makes me feel ill.. its inhuman but would ya call him human having done what hes done?
What do you guys think?
I Think hanging is still little for what he done. this guy have killed even more people than we think and always using torture.
For me saddam should not be killed by hang... no.... he should be killed in a more painful way like the eletric chair or other worse.
You may say this opinion is too rude, but this is not 1/10000.... of what this man done.
I agree with ThiagoPE. 'Bout time.
Lol...
Inhumain...Or however it's spelt.
Just like that one group in USA that are tryign to make sure the captured prisoners from Iraq are treated fairly, get lawyers, fed properly, nice clothing etc.
While our soldiers in Iraq are being beheaded, Killed, massacered, slaughtered infront of others. Hmm just makes me wonder why we should treat them nice if they don't treat our soldiers right :lol:
Butttt I could care less the way he dies, To be honest the old Texas Hanging is fine for me. I'd rather honestly he'd be poisoned or something so he has to live through the pain before dieing or something.
Just my opinion..
Kovu
You don't recall Abu Ghurayb, I take it? Or the concentration camp on Cuba? Or the 'secret prisons' US intelligence keep around the world where prisoners are stripped of the rights guaranteed them by the Geneva convention? Torture of unlawful/illegal combatants, which was approved by Washington?Quote:
Originally posted by Kovu The Lion
Lol...
Inhumain...Or however it's spelt.
Just like that one group in USA that are tryign to make sure the captured prisoners from Iraq are treated fairly, get lawyers, fed properly, nice clothing etc.
While our soldiers in Iraq are being beheaded, Killed, massacered, slaughtered infront of others. Hmm just makes me wonder why we should treat them nice if they don't treat our soldiers right :lol:
I haven't really kept up to date with Hussein's trial, but as I recall, the crimes he's now been found guilty of are ones he took care of with the military aid he got from the US.
I really don't care much for his execution. It feels more like 'red meat to the mob' more than anything else. *shrug*
Don't worry about how the USA treats PoWs; I think perhaps the USA military should try being humane. You know, hyping their soldiers up and sending them off to slaughter men, women and children, all civilians, in little villages doesn't seem all that right to me.Quote:
Originally posted by Kovu The Lion
Lol...
Inhumain...Or however it's spelt.
Just like that one group in USA that are tryign to make sure the captured prisoners from Iraq are treated fairly, get lawyers, fed properly, nice clothing etc.
While our soldiers in Iraq are being beheaded, Killed, massacered, slaughtered infront of others. Hmm just makes me wonder why we should treat them nice if they don't treat our soldiers right :lol:
Kovu
Also, I agree fully with what Ghamu said.
I think he deserve what he does, and I think the situation remain the same or worse after his execution. Tommorow headlines, Civil War in Iraq.
YES! Hang the bastard! Hang him high!!
You have much to learn about the military. You could perhaps start by talking with one of us who are military members... I can assure you that we are not in the business of "slaughtering."Quote:
Originally posted by Nephilim
Don't worry about how the USA treats PoWs; I think perhaps the USA military should try being humane. You know, hyping their soldiers up and sending them off to slaughter men, women and children, all civilians, in little villages doesn't seem all that right to me.
to be honest, i think he should suffer more
a lot more
but hey, that's just me...
Never read any of the transcripts of what went on in the Nam war? I know there was one from the Iraq war too, recently.Quote:
Originally posted by Darkslash
You have much to learn about the military. You could perhaps start by talking with one of us who are military members... I can assure you that we are not in the business of "slaughtering."
everything is allowed in War and love is not really how it should be but it is that way.
No one can say that everyone does torture or humiliate prisoners in US prisons not even most but some do, same with small villages... most of soldiers do as told but some groups don't play with the rules... that is just known fact.. when cat is away mice are crawling on a table and ofcourse the enemy does the same.
what comes to sentence for Saddam... it's about the bloody time they get it over with.. and I can tell hangging is quite painful if they drop him low enough and he dies on chocking and not on cracking of the spine.
yeah I've heard hanging can be pretty painful. I'd hate to be hung.
I know Saddam has done some really really bad (or should I say evil?) things but I personally dont agree with capital punishment, however that is mainly because there are tonnes of people who are wrongly convicted and if capital punishment is used then an innocent person can be killed etc and we all know that Saddam Hussein IS guilty of awful crimes so maybe he should be the exception?
But still I dont believe that two wrongs make a right and personally killing him the way he killed all those other people would make you just as bad as him. If he was to be killed I'd rather it still be done in a relatively humane way making it as painless as possible.
But still he is obviously a dangerous man and I do not believe that he should be set free at all, but maybe if he was kept alive but in prison for the rest of his life? but if that was the case Iraq may find it harder to move on or get past all this? maybe killing him signifys the end of his reign and would help them get back on their feet?
I also feel for those who where personally affected by what he did and I would probably feel differently if I was one of them. I dont know,
but I just personally hate the thought of someone being sentenced to death no matter who they are.
I would tend to agree that his death sentence should be commuted to life imprisonment.
Hanging shouldn't be done anywhere, anymore. It seems like an awful way to die. Either you suffocate to death while your eyes are bulging out due to the blood pressure, awaiting a horrible SNAP when your neck breaks, or your neck breaks immediately. If they don't want to give him a humane death, they should just kill him with a firing squad (although that's bad too, 'cause they can miss your heart with that method).
he was dead the moment they got him...and god am so glad no freaking conspiresy didnt get him out...in one pic will say..
I support whatever the Iraqis want to do with him. They say hang, I say hang. They have sent a strong message that tyrants will die awful deaths.
I don't have time to reply to this because I have to go to work..but some quick points:
1) Hanging is actually very humane if done CORRECTLY which when done by a court order should be. It is supposed to be an instant death..NOT strangulation. It is STILL a legal way of execution here in the United States by the way.
2) What Ghamu said is BS.
3) The acts of a few soldiers NOT endorsed by our military..nor practiced by very many at all..should be used to put the face on an entire country.
~Kiva
He deserves it. I would put him on 4 parts with hummers or even biger vehicles.Quote:
Originally posted by Xinithian
Hanging shouldn't be done anywhere, anymore. It seems like an awful way to die.
edit: but after I wouzld cut all his skin off and put some salt on him.. He is one of biggest criminals living now. Becouse of him, there was so much pain on the world. He really deserves it.
Why don't you wait until you've got the time then? Relax, man. We know that saying something negative about the US will attract you just as a fly will go to bad food. And we won't forget about the thread if your reply has to wait a few hours.Quote:
Originally posted by Only-now
I don't have time to reply to this because I have to go to work..
if you ask me...i hope he gets hanged "in-corecktly" and gets strangeld.....
I dont belive in Death sentances (thank the Green Mile), plus people have been saying that they will avenge his death
I don't see how, seeing as there's more than enough evidence. And the torture thing is definitely true; if I remember correctly, a bill was passed allowing it, only renaming torture "pressure," and all kind of sick, depraved things are allowed to go on now.Quote:
Originally posted by Only-now
2) What Ghamu said is BS.
^ I agree with neph on that point.
Ghamu.. you are right :cheese: But also XxBlackXxParadeXx.. yes i totally agree with that.. Green Mile is a horrendously amazing film
Anyone who agrees with the Death Penalty MUST watch this, mainly because it shows what happens when people judge others wrong.
On Saddam.. I personally don't like the idea of him choking to death.. or his spine cracking or anything.. I definatly think the bugger should suffer.. heck suffer A LOT!! But if we make him suffer a lot.. then aren't we just as bad as him.. simply calling it justice? How the f**k does that work?????
I was merely stating that what I wrote was not my full reply. I have more to state on this issue than what I wrote earlier. It sure will attract me..I love my country. Though..these type of threads attract your type as well..so I hope that wasn't meant as an insult.
1) Abu (however you spell it) does not even come CLOSE to torture whatsover. Also....I would like to state that it was the US military that told the media about what happened at that prison. The media did not find it out themselves..it wasn't a conspiracy etc. Not to mention our military does not endorse that type of action...all those soldiers were punished etc. If you did want to say the military endorses it..then why would they break the news to the media when apparently uninformed people like yourself...would use it against them? Putting bags over someone's head...and making them stand naked is not even CLOSE to torture. Not even CLOSE to what Saddam did. Throwing live babies against walls...raping women in front of their husbands...and supporters of him cutting off innocent's heads? You want to compare that and what happened by a few over-zealous soldiers?
2) "Concentration Camp"?! *laughs*. It is a prison man! The whole world knows about it! They get three meals a day, prayers and signs telling guards not to disturb them etc etc. In fact..some prisoners have even said that they live better there than they did in Afganistan or Iraq! You want to call it a concentration camp?
3) Of course we would have secret prisons. What is wrong with that? They are in warring nations...filled with insurgents. Why would we want the location of those places known to the public? So they can be attacked and suspected terrorists can escape and cause more trouble?
4) Neph...that law does not allow torture. I get tired of those statements. It defines what IS an isn't allowed so that our interrogators won't get in trouble by going too far. Not to mention, most of the tactics we use aren't even close to torture. Some of them include water boarding (which even a news reporter volunteered to undergo and a high up terrorist only survived two minutes of it before giving up valuable info that saved American lives), loud rock music, cold rooms. None of that is torture..and frankly I wouldn't mind more extreme methods if it saves innocent American's or American soldier's lives. Apparently you guys are saying that you would prefer to be kind and considerate to a criminal who wants to kill you and your family and that that type of man is worth losing brave soldiers and innocent people's lives for? That philosophy doesn't seem to fit to me. I don't endorse torture..but I fully believe that we don't do anything that cruel and what we do do has shown results.
I've watched the Green Mile and I still agree with the death penalty. Hanging is not cruel or painful if done right (for the second time). So..if you are a bleeding heart and think this man deserves a quick death then he IS getting one if it makes you feel any better. He does deserve death...and in my opinion a much worse one.
This thread wasn't about the U.S's policies or anything. The Iraqi people convicted him..and sentenced him. We could have just shot him when we found him and it would have been really easy...but we didn't. So...Idk how we got the idea that this was a US trial or something. If you don't like the sentence yell at the Iraqi people.
~Kiva
It works because we aren't taking it out on him... Iraqis are, in their own courts, with their own mix of Islamic and Western traditions. It's a completely fair verdict. For any nation, including the US, to intervene and say, "No, you can't hang him, but you have to put him in jail or send him to international court," (Milosevic anyone?) would be incredibly rude to the Iraqis who actually have suffered under his rule, and indescribably disrespectful to those hundreds of thousands who died at his hands.Quote:
But if we make him suffer a lot.. then aren't we just as bad as him.. simply calling it justice? How the f**k does that work?????
Only-now, you're right about Abu-Ghraib. Worse is done as fraternity hazing at US colleges. Saddam forcing men to watch their pregnant wives forced through a meat grinder does not compare, not in the US, not in the UK, not in Iraq... it's shameful to even mention the two as remotely similar.
Guantanamo Bay... lol, more like Club Guantanamo: http://www.opinionjournal.com/editor...l?id=110008952
They deserve much worse.Quote:
There is no solitary confinement at Guantanamo; even at maximum-security Camp 5, the cells have outside light and openings in the doors through which detainees can communicate with one another. They have ample contact with the world beyond the camp, too. "Over 40,000 pieces of mail have come in and out of here," Adm. Harris says. "If you chose to write one of them a letter, all you'd need to do is put their name on it, say 'Guantanamo Bay, Cuba,' put our ZIP code on it, and they will get that letter.
"Most of the detainees have lawyers," the admiral adds. "There are over 900 habeas lawyers representing less than 450 detainees," and the lawyers are free to visit their clients. Representatives of the International Committee of the Red Cross "come down for almost a month at a time, four times a year, and then [for shorter periods] at other times, and they have unfettered access to any detainee they want to see, whenever they want to see them."
And secret prisons? Gasp! That makes the US a dictatorship and Bush a dictator! Golly gee, I sure hope the NSA doesn't wiretap me and throw me in one!
And so what if we defined torture for ourselves? The US says that torture will and won't be certain things for prisoners under our control. Who cares what other say? Our democracy, our rules.
And death penalty = teh pwn.
In the name of George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, and Karl Rove, Amen.
Good post man *pats you on the back* That was very informed and correct too :)
~Kiva
I meant whoever was taking out punishment out on him.. not the US.. thus that means they are just as bad him!!!!!Quote:
Originally posted by Darkslash
It works because we aren't taking it out on him... Iraqis are, in their own courts, with their own mix of Islamic and Western traditions. It's a completely fair verdict.
I'mnotgonnarantabouttheUScoswiththemoodI'minIcould goonfordays!!!!
Otherwise that was a well thought out reply, I agree :cheese: *Must Resist KILLING* :lol:
Amen.Quote:
Originally posted by Darkslash
In the name of George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, and Karl Rove, Amen.
Oops...I forgot: Amen!
~Kiva
I dont think he deserves a quick death, i dont think he should be killed at allQuote:
Originally posted by Only-now
I've watched the Green Mile and I still agree with the death penalty. Hanging is not cruel or painful if done right (for the second time). So..if you are a bleeding heart and think this man deserves a quick death then he IS getting one if it makes you feel any better. He does deserve death...and in my opinion a much worse one.
:haha:...What the hell?...:DQuote:
Originally posted by Darkslash
In the name of George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, and Karl Rove, Amen.
Anyways, some people in the military do bad things, because they are human and humans will do bad things. But you have good people in the military, too. Just a few weeks ago this soldier reported how members of his unit raped and killed people in this one village. HE did the right thing...many soldiers risk thier lives and such to do the right thing...just as there are the ones who do the wrong things. It's just too bad that the wrongs things make the news more so than the right. Anyways, this is pertaining to acts such as Abu Grahib(sp*).
I don't agree with the death penalty...all it mainly does is control the population in prisons. Other than that it doesn't really accomplish much and is a poor source of closure.
hanging is to mild i say stone the basterd..
They should put him in acid and let the bastard die in it.
Wouldn't making Saddam be subjected to a hideously cruel death be just as bad as what that man did to other people? I've never been a fan of "An eye for an eye," I always figured it led to blindness.
You may be opposed to the death penalty on principle.Quote:
Originally posted by Pnt
Wouldn't making Saddam be subjected to a hideously cruel death be just as bad as what that man did to other people? I've never been a fan of "An eye for an eye," I always figured it led to blindness.
But to oppose anything but death, in whatever form, for such a maniacal tyrant, shows that one has already blinded oneself to the evil he has wrought on his country. It would be to send the message that, though hundreds of thousands die at his hand, he wins by remaining alive.
I support whatever the Iraqis want to do to him. They suffered, they choose the punishment. We have no right to condemn their choice. I'd be a bit disappointed if they had chosen life imprisonment, but I would support them, had that near-impossible scenario played out.
Agreed...it's like Gandhi said..."An eye for an eye ends up making the whole world blind" He also said this..."I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent."Quote:
Originally posted by Pnt
Wouldn't making Saddam be subjected to a hideously cruel death be just as bad as what that man did to other people? I've never been a fan of "An eye for an eye," I always figured it led to blindness.
WTF? That man couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery, he did nothing to help the war, and with the help of Mr Blair, actually made things worse. Those two are like a pair of chocolate fireguards.Quote:
Originally posted by Darkslash
In the name of George W. Bush
As for Saddam, I don't care how he dies, as long as he does die.
Everyone has thier opinion. I believe in the death penalty because I do believe that it a punishment that fits certain crimes. If someone takes the life of another person...that person can never come back. Life imprisonment still gets the criminal food, sunlight (if even for an hour), and thoughts. Something the victim can never have again. If there is a hell..and that criminal is going there...then I say we speed up the time he has to wait. Obviously not every crime deserves this..but I do think it is a punishment that is plausible and valuable.
~Kiva
I don't like those sorts of absolute statements, never made much sense to me. "If you don't agree with me wholeheartedly, you're ignorant to the situation" just doesn't fly too well in an intelligent discussion. I have every right to condemn the Iraqi's choice, a decade of horrific treatment does not entitle a people to a silence-those-who-disagree card. Violence is violence, and as Roog was saying, I have yet to see anything good come from it.Quote:
Originally posted by Darkslash
You may be opposed to the death penalty on principle.
But to oppose anything but death, in whatever form, for such a maniacal tyrant, shows that one has already blinded oneself to the evil he has wrought on his country. It would be to send the message that, though hundreds of thousands die at his hand, he wins by remaining alive.
I support whatever the Iraqis want to do to him. They suffered, they choose the punishment. We have no right to condemn their choice. I'd be a bit disappointed if they had chosen life imprisonment, but I would support them, had that near-impossible scenario played out.
My opinions on that aside, that wasn't actually wasn't my original issue. My issue is some people thinking that a man should be dipped in acid or skinned alive. I don't care who the man was, that's horrific and cruel. The whole, "He did it to other people," defense just puts those who'd do this to him at his level. Now, I'm not talking to anyone in particular, I don't see much of a point in calling someone out on an internet forum, but asking for a man to be skinned alive, dipped in acid, or strangled to death is an improper way to deal with strong emotions and, frankly, is just extremely cruel. I don't like people celebrating another man's condemnation either, that's just not something to laugh and cheer about.
As for the death penalty, well, I think it's one of those shades-of-gray issues. Killing the man who killed someone else does fit the original crime. I guess that turns into a question of whether that's good, because from my perspective, you now have at least two dead people, at least two miserable families, and you're not a single bit closer to improving the situation.