Yes, but there are some things in the bible that couldn't have been related to thing son earth, the book of Revelation for instance.
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Yes, but there are some things in the bible that couldn't have been related to thing son earth, the book of Revelation for instance.
If anything, similarities between other philosophies/religions/mythologies/legends only serve to back up the veracity of the Bible.
Bah, I forgot to mention the effects of smoking pot/crack and/or dropping acid can have on the human mind in my previous post. (not that I've ever done any of those things, but I've seen interesting artistic results, and I consider the book of Revelations to be "written art")Quote:
Originally posted by Ravoc
Yes, but there are some things in the bible that couldn't have been related to thing son earth, the book of Revelation for instance.
My friends and I used to joke that whoever wrote Revelations must have been tripping.
:p
True, there are truly bizarre things in Revelations, but I still think that a human is capable of thinking those things up without divine help. If the human subconscious and transform a teakettle into a scorpion while dreaming, then who knows what other metaphors and mixing-bowl ideas people are capable of, even when they're awake and completely sober?
It really all boils down to which philosophy you feel like following.
I?m just playing quasi-devil?s advocate.
:ayecapn:
Perhaps. I didn't mean to say that by incorporating pagan stories into the Bible that it makes the Bible any more or less valid. I was merely using mythological legend assimilation to illustrate how one religion and/or mythology, can use another to create a similar, yet different, mythology for itself.Quote:
Originally posted by Darkslash
If anything, similarities between other philosophies/religions/mythologies/legends only serve to back up the veracity of the Bible.
I'm actually happy that Christianity has assimilated so many things into itself, because in doing so, it preserves the traditions and legends so that future generations can go back and relearn the old ways in their original form.
At least nowadays...
Of course, Christianity isn't the only religion to do this. Take a look at the ancient Greeks and Romans...hell, the Romans assimilated more than just religion.
(but this is not a history lesson)
;)
The problem is that for your backing of opinions, you just use the Bible and expect everybody to take the Bible as the absolute truth. But to me and many others, the Bible is just a book and it takes more reasoning to convince somebody that something is immoral.Quote:
Originally posted by StalkingWolf
I am open-minded to hearing whatever people say, but let me ask you this, if the Bible is not God's Word, what is then? Since it is so-called not proven, nothing else has been proven to be God's Word, the Bible has always been considered as God's words, every since it was first written! Men have such finite minds that they wouldn't have been able to make a book such as the Bible without the help of an Almighty God! So, if you think about it, it is the only sensable thing to believe that it is God's words, and has been every since God had those forty men write it....it was "God-breathed" Again, I say I am open-minded to anything people say, I am simply stating my replies or belief, not theories, on the issues at present...
True, some Bible stories are closely related to Egyptian myths and Christian Holidays can relate to Pagan Holidays. But on the other hand there has been a couple Bible stories that have been proven as actual events by archeologists. Scientists even proved that the parting of the Red Sea, to my knowledge it was the Red Sea, can actually happen if things happen almost perfectly and all.Quote:
Originally posted by Wicked
Which explains why the Bible contains stories bearing striking resemblence to various mythological themes and legends that were long in place before Christinity was even a blip on the radar.
See something that already exists. Interpret something that already exists. Assimilate and alter that which already exists to fit into own religion.
I believe God works through the subconscious mind.:cheese:Quote:
If the human subconscious and transform a teakettle into a scorpion while dreaming, then who knows what other metaphors and mixing-bowl ideas people are capable of, even when they're awake and completely sober?
It's entirely possible that the Bible could've been written by a person/people with nothing better to do and probably more then the recommended amount of drugs in their system. The Principia Discordia is a good example of such a book.
Of course, the Principia Discordia is still a fun read, at around 80pgs (I think.. I read it back like, 4-5 years ago...). What other religious text includes an unbreakable cypher, 5 commandments that can only be read by viewing it upsidedown, and drawings that could've been drawn by Escher? :lol:
I think my sister is right there is only one righteous book and only one God. that is what the bible says. And God did choose 40 men to write the Bible and I know that God told the men what to say.And the book does not have to be funto read to be a good book.And the Bible also has TEN COMMANDMENTS that you dont have to read upside down, and besides isnt it a lot easier to read it the reagular way?
Yep,they are right I have read my bible and I have also read a lot of verses in the Bible that say to honour your mother and your father. Even in the ten commandments it says to honour your parents.Like stalking wolf said if your parents said dont take a cookie and you still did, that is a sin. Even if it is a tiny little sin it is considered just as bad as a big sin to God.We may think that it is just a little sin but it is the same as a big sin nomader what type of sin it is.
that's almost just what I said earlier...Quote:
[i]We may think that it is just a little sin but it is the same as a big sin nomader what type of sin it is. [/B]
a sin is a sin no matter what sin the sin is..
Indeed. Our understanding is not the same as God's understanding. Every sin is the same, just as every person is the same, in God's eyes.
And please don't make jokes about Christianity, I don't see anyone doing such things to your beliefs.
I don't believe that much really, that a sin is a sin. It's just my belief of course, but if God is so all knowing then God has to take things in context.
I just cannot except that God sets the same punishment for someone who steals food to feed his family and to the guy who killed his best friend for drug money.
I just think people try to take the bible way to much word for word. It's supposed to be a guide to life, not an endless list of nearly impossible standards promoting doom and gloom for those that don't follow them to a T.
Hence the whole reason for the atonment Kintaru. It was through this act that we are able to repent and be forgiven of our sins. As for if the Bible is truly the word of God, I guess it can't really be proven. But for those who are really wondering, I will refer you to James (wish I could remember the chapter and verse), it basically says if any man lacks wisdom, let him ask of God. I can assure you, that if you pray earnestly, from the bottom of your heart, and truly believe that you will get an answer, you will recieve one in time. Just remember, it may not always be an answer you want to hear. I can't tell you what to do with your life, I can only tell you what I believe and hope that you at least think about it.
Anyway, I believe the Bible to be correct as long as it is translated correctly, though I can not know of that for sure. The book I know is absolutely true is the Book of Mormon. This book was translated straight from the gold plates by a young (14 I believe) Joseph Smith, a boy with only a grade school education. If you have ever seen at least a verse of this book, you would know that it could never have been made up by Joseph. That's just what I believe, I am not asking you to share this same belief with me.
It could be worse. At least Christianity hasn't been picked apart, cheapened, and formed into various online fads...as my beliefs have been.Quote:
Originally posted by Ravoc
And please don't make jokes about Christianity, I don't see anyone doing such things to your beliefs.
The bible says this... but how are you going to persuade people that don't think that the Bible is absolute truth? You can't convince a non-christian that your belief is right and justified, just because a book says so...Quote:
Originally posted by Rafiki '03
I think my sister is right there is only one righteous book and only one God. that is what the bible says. And God did choose 40 men to write the Bible and I know that God told the men what to say.
Speakin' of brains, I heard they taste like Jello-O and wobbles like tofu. Anyone ever tried any?;)
Quite true. That's why I don't believe in proselytizing ("join us or you're going to hell!"). Let people pick their own fate.Quote:
Originally posted by Xinithian
The bible says this... but how are you going to persuade people that don't think that the Bible is absolute truth? You can't convince a non-christian that your belief is right and justified, just because a book says so...
That's just the thing Xinithian, it's not supposed to be proven. It's a test of faith.
And Wicked, I am sorry that that is happening to your beliefs. But don't accuse me of doing such, or anyone on this thread, of that, for no one has done so thus far that I know of.
I think she meant that her beliefs have been picked apart, cheapened, and formed into fads by society, the media, and other religions, not by anyone here
The Principia Discordia wasn't meant to be taken seriously (I think), and their 5th commandment is basically "Don't believe anything you read" (which then includes the Principia Discordia itself).
Hmm.. if you don't believe anything you read, because the book tells you to, then should you not believe it?
Don't think ont hat too much, your head is liable to implode :idiot:
So I guess stealing a cookie would be equal to that of stealing a life? Sinning is a product of the conscience, so I would believe the seriousness of the sin is also a product of the conscience. That is why I agree with the Catholic view of Venial and Mortal Sin.Quote:
Originally posted by Rafiki '03
Like stalking wolf said if your parents said dont take a cookie and you still did, that is a sin. Even if it is a tiny little sin it is considered just as bad as a big sin to God.
I guess I would agree with Roog...:hmm: A cookie may cost a dollar or so, but what is the cost of a life? :hmm: I wouldn't trade a child for a cookie nor a cookie for a child... it is unequal. I would not think that God views the cookie and the life as equal. Do cookies go to heaven? Will they char and melt in the Pilsbury Oven of hell? :hmm:
Can't say that I have...to my knowledge, the consumption of human parts here is still illegal.Quote:
Originally posted by nafklt
Speakin' of brains, I heard they taste like Jello-O and wobbles like tofu. Anyone ever tried any?;)
;)
Um...thus far I don't believe I have accused anyone here of anything, so I have no idea what you're talking about.Quote:
Originally posted by Ravoc
But don't accuse me of doing such, or anyone on this thread, of that, for no one has done so thus far that I know of.
:confused:
You pretty much nailed on the head what I intended to say. Thanks!Quote:
Originally posted by pntbll248
I think she meant that her beliefs have been picked apart, cheapened, and formed into fads by society, the media, and other religions, not by anyone here
:)
ok, here's the thing on that, now in the bible it says that Jesus wipes ALL sins away from those that accept him... ok?... he's also the only way into heaven.. with me so far?.. good..Quote:
Originally posted by Kintaru
I don't believe that much really, that a sin is a sin. It's just my belief of course, but if God is so all knowing then God has to take things in context.
I just cannot except that God sets the same punishment for someone who steals food to feed his family and to the guy who killed his best friend for drug money.
now let's add apoint value to sins just for now
1 point = value of sins done
murder = 100 points
steal cookie = 1 point
grand theft = 50 points
now lets have three people.. person one kills three people and stole fourteen cookies and comitted one grand theft in the course of his life... person two kills four and steals one cookie in his life... person three only stole one cookie his whole life...
person one's total sin value: 364
person two: 401
person three: 1
there you have it... person two and on are evil arn't they... look at that score! :ew:
onto the rest... it says those who accept Jesus are wiped clean of sin.. in other words they now equil zero zip nada...
person one has accepted christ we'll say...
so now the score stands
1: 364 + Jesus = 0!
2: 401
3: 1
only two places to go.. heaven or hell... now add the fact that Jesus is the only way into heaven.... the rest go to hell...
therefore,
person one: 364 + Jesus = 0 = YAY! Into heaven he goes
Person two: 401 ... into hell.. no Jesus, no heaven
Person three: 1 .. nice person.. oh well ... no Jesus.. into hell with that person...
so what's the differance had I put the score sheet as:
murder = 1 point
grand theft = 1 point
steal cookie = 1 point
person one: 18
persin two: 5
person three: 1
differance?.. nope.. not at all... see the end result is the exact same..
Person one: 18 + Jesus = 0 = off to heaven
Person two: 5 ... no Jesus.. off to hell
Person three: 1 ... no Jesus... off to hell
see?... there IS NO worse hell for those with higher scores, there IS NO betterr heaven...
it's simply who has the 'pass' ... like a ticket booth the pass is Jesus...
you have a pass, go on through, yup, a pass go ahead, up you have no pass, either go get one or go to hell (literaly :lol: )
*whew,* do you all got that now?!?
it doesn't matter if your score is 1 or 1,000,000 ... if you have christ you have heaven, if not, off to hell...
like say your score is money, and you're going to the movies... the ticket guy doen't look at your wallet to go see the movie does he?!? NO! He needs to see your ticket... no ticket = no movie... see?
that's how God looks at sins... so you see, it makes NO differance if they have different values or all equil one
Mathematical Christianity!
Great explanation, A-non.
thanks =D
Algebra of Christianity! :lol::p
That'd be an interesting school subject.;)
that rocked A-non-a-mus :wow:, great job :cheese:!!!
What about people who never have the opportunity to hear about Jesus A-non-a-mus? What if someone is raised to believe that killing and stealing are ok to do? Does God condem them for something that is not their fault? This is the reason I support missionary work, to give everyone an equal chance to hear about my religion. So they can at least hear it, and then decide whether they are willing to accept or reject it. After you die and are ressurected, I believe you will go to one of 4 places:
Celestial Kingdom
The highest of the three degrees or kingdoms of glory in heaven, where one is in the presence of Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ. The glory of the celestial kingdom is compared to the glory of the sun in the scriptures.
Terrestrial Kingdom
The middle degree or kingdom of the three degrees of glory in heaven. In the scriptures, the glory of the terrestrial kingdom is compared to the glory of the moon.
Telestial Kingdom
The lowest of the three degrees or kingdoms of glory in heaven. The scriptures compare the glory of the telestial kingdom to the glory of the stars
Outer Darkness aka Hell
The permanent habitation of Satan and those who follow him and who have knowingly rejected and denied the influence of righteousness, goodness, and God their Heavenly Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost.
You will be judged and then you will be placed into one of these three kingdoms. I can't think of the exact requirements right now, but you can probably find them on www.lds.org
Accepting Jesus has nothing to do with commiting sins. But that was fun to read, Anon.:cheese:
Non taken i'm a christian but i don't actually believe in any of it.Quote:
Originally posted by TakaTiger
Puh... religon... i hate Organized Religon (no offence to neone here)
anyway religon is the biggest cause of war.
but my mums side of the family is scandinavian, italian, and germany.
right back.
But my dads side is all english i think...
I think Ignorance, Intolerance, and Greed are the biggest causes of war.Quote:
Originally posted by RAMMSTEIN
anyway religon is the biggest cause of war.
I belive we've already went over this part... ... but I'll say it again...Quote:
Originally posted by Muruwa
What about people who never have the opportunity to hear about Jesus A-non-a-mus? What if someone is raised to believe that killing and stealing are ok to do? Does God condem them for something that is not their fault? This is the reason I support missionary work, to give everyone an equal chance to hear about my religion. So they can at least hear it, and then decide whether they are willing to accept or reject it. After you die and are ressurected, I believe you will go to one of 4 places:
Celestial Kingdom
The highest of the three degrees or kingdoms of glory in heaven, where one is in the presence of Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ. The glory of the celestial kingdom is compared to the glory of the sun in the scriptures.
Terrestrial Kingdom
The middle degree or kingdom of the three degrees of glory in heaven. In the scriptures, the glory of the terrestrial kingdom is compared to the glory of the moon.
Telestial Kingdom
The lowest of the three degrees or kingdoms of glory in heaven. The scriptures compare the glory of the telestial kingdom to the glory of the stars
Outer Darkness aka Hell
The permanent habitation of Satan and those who follow him and who have knowingly rejected and denied the influence of righteousness, goodness, and God their Heavenly Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost.
You will be judged and then you will be placed into one of these three kingdoms. I can't think of the exact requirements right now, but you can probably find them on www.lds.org
This part's a little unknown... but for the most part, if one were on one side of the door and someone knocked on the other side, who wouldn' hear that?... ... kind of like that picture above is showing.... everyone (even deaf) can hear, but it's all depends on who opens it... in other words, everyone will know... but again.. that's so far only speculation... cause, again it's unclear..
the many heavens thaing though... where doesit say that in the bible?... cause it speaks of only one from what I've ever heard, and that's the second Jerusalem... which is a cube 12,000 stadia (approx: 1,400 miles/ 2,200 kilometers) in lenth width and hight.. and it's walls are 144 cubits thick (approx. 200 feet/ 65 meters)
it never says anything to my knowledge of there being more than one of these... (the verses that go over this is Rev. 21: 16-21 )
it also state in Rev 21: 1 then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea.
so it does say there's going to be another, but this is AFTER the judgement... and note thet it says heaven as in only one..
Roman Catholic
but i have not been a good Roman Catholic since i don't go to church alot (more like last time i went to one was 2 years ago) but i still put my faith in god that forsure ...
That needed repeatedQuote:
Originally posted by lion_roog
I think Ignorance, Intolerance, and Greed are the biggest causes of war.
I completely agree.
Such a gloomy topic :p
John 14:2 "In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you."Quote:
Originally posted by A-non-a-mus
the many heavens thaing though... where doesit say that in the bible?
1 Corinthians 15:40-42 "There are also clelestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory. So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption."
And finally (you probably won't take this one seriously) a vision given to Joseph Smith and Sydney Rigdon recorded in a book call the Doctrine and Covenants 76:70-71 "These are they whose bodies are celestial, whose glory is that of the sun, even the glory of God, the highest of all, whose glory the sun of the firmament is writtten of as being typical.
And again, we saw the terrestrial world, and behold and lo, these are they who are of the terrestrial, whose glory differs from that of the church of the Firstborn who have received the fulness of the Father, even as that of the moon differs from the sun in the firmament."
I am, by no means, and expert on this. I hope that is enough evidence for you to understand why I believe the way I do.
I'm a non-practicing Jew but we're sorta Baptist Christian too. It really makes no sense but we believe in God and stuff.
I know....if only Flowers, Fluffy Puppies, and Candy Hearts were the main causes of war.......:DQuote:
Originally posted by pntbll248
That needed repeated
I completely agree.
Such a gloomy topic :p
lol
Well we do have huge massive bombs called "Daisy Cutters"...
But fluffy puppies
http://images.google.com/images?q=tb...ges/puppy2.jpg
and candy hearts...
http://www.punchstock.com/image/corb...e/11507848.jpg
We have yet to find a military use for.