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:( this thread brings sadness to my heart. All it seems to bring is pain.
Sadness is a thing every human-being gotta learn to deal with. The only thing we/phantom/neph or/and mufasa, sarabi can do is try to solve this. Or forget about it.
Thank you. :)Quote:
Originally posted by Nalinda
I'm personally VERY tired of this thread.
Obviously we all think in our ways and are not coming anywhere with this. What's the use of lettin' this get off topic as everything else? (ooh sorry.. really)
The best way to solve this problem would be for Phantom to realise that he's made a big mistake and tell Neph he's done wrong and make an apology. (If he don't already have). I mean it's a big mistake too harass someone. Then I hope Phantom can stop with these sexual crimes. It's REALLY not funny.
And some kind of disorder is NO excuse to harass someone.
This is a big mistake of Phantom. I think you should try to realise what you have done and STOP doing it. It's NOT funny.
I made this thread to get help, but I suppose I should of expected to be attacked by some.
... oh well.
Really, why are some of you supporting PhantomBPR? Neph did nothing wrong. Phantom was harassing her, and obviously had no respect for her, to talk to her in that manner. And we see what he is really like.
Sure he can apologize and such, and we may forgive him. But he deserved this thread. There was no excuse for him to talk to her like that.
Neph made this thread to really receive back-up and support from other members because of the PMs she was receiving. I agree, she never did anything wrong and was just trying to bring this incident to more attention to her fellow members.
Phantom shouldn't have been sending PMs out like that anyway; not only to Neph but to anybody. Neph has every right to make a thread especially if it needs to be brought to attention.
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I don't side with Phantom, as he did somthing stupid, and is getting what he had coming. As I said before, I do not plan to walk away from him, but I will certainly be more weary.
However, as much as I am against sexual harrasment, I can't feel totally sympathetic from Neph. I believe KS is wrong to say Neph has done nothing wrong. It isn't like she has never harrased people before. Before you go and say it isn't true, I can think of AT LEAST 4 instances when there were major arguements here stemming from thoughtless comments Neph made that caused sombody to jump on her. She may have sensitivity, but she does a good job hiding it. But anyway, that doesn't matter, as this thread isn't about that. As for the thread itself, I don't like the idea, but I guess Neph didn't have much other choice.
Oh, and I found the comment about Aspergers syndrome untrue. I have Asperger's, and it has never led me to constantly harass people. All it does if give me mood swings that can be compared to a woman bareing a child.
Well, what has she done wrong in this topic?Quote:
Originally posted by Roquivo
I believe KS is wrong to say Neph has done nothing wrong.
if you are sooo tired of this thread then why do you even post in it? I say stay out of it if you don't want to be bothered by it ;)Quote:
Originally posted by Nalinda
I'm personally VERY tired of this thread...
ummmm...:confused:, we can't vote for Bush again :idiot:, he has served his two terms unfortunately :(, I'd vote for him again if he could run for president again...but I'm going to be quiet now becuase this is off topic and bashing a president is kind of really stupid because you are bashing YOUR leader...thats all :)Quote:
Originally posted by Lweek
Enjoy 4th, Independance day and please don't vote Bush again. :)
EDIT: typos
I never said she did anything wrong is this thread. She was the victim here. That is why I am not jumping on her. I am just saying that the victim it is a position she doesn't often take, and that she HAS been the instigator on more then one occasion.
Oh my.....what drama. O_O
Well, I'm just going to say that I am sticking beside my best friend Neph on this, and I could careless if people think I'm a suck-up, butt-kisser, etc. =P
She's an incredible friend, and I like her very very much.
Ok, I'm done here. *walks away with hands in pockets*
Okay, people my opinion.
Neph was right to make this thread, thank you Neph.
Phantom, you should say sorry and clean your act up even if you were only joking.
Okay, I'm gonna follow LKS's lead and stay away from this thread.
Dittoness... all this discussion will cause is more destruction than amendment...:(Quote:
Originally posted by Lunarcat
:( this thread brings sadness to my heart. All it seems to bring is pain.
Just because I'm tired of this thread and this problem doesn't mean that I dont wanna be a part of solving it out, or see if it will ever be.Quote:
Originally posted by Simba '04
if you are sooo tired of this thread then why do you even post in it? I say stay out of it if you don't want to be bothered by it ;)
You aren't American, I don't tell you how to deal with your leaders, don't even try to tell us how to deal with ours. I don't like the man personally, but your anti-American garbage was sickening, off topic, and uncalled for. Some people may have been nice about telling you to back off, but I won't.Quote:
Originally posted by Lweek
I'm going be too much engaged and I wont. Sorry for I wrote. Enjoy 4th, Independance day and please don't vote Bush again. :)
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I don't see how some people can call Neph rude, mean, or otherwise wrong for this thread. Have some people forgotten that she is a person and does have feelings? And have some people forgotten that anyone would be irritated, sickened, angered, and hurt if they got those kinds of PMs? Okay, say you didn't know Phantom and he sent you those PMs and posted those posts, would you be upbeat about it or would you be pissed? I'd say that 99% of the people here would be pissed; isn't Nephilim entitled to the same feelings when someone acts like that? Isn't she also entitled to make Phantom stop, even if it takes making the issue public? This isn't a matter of playing the victim; just because Neph is strong willed and not sensitive whiner doesn't mean that she should react any different to sexual harrassment. Is this a matter of not liking her? Seems like the people who have a problem with her on the forum in general also have a problem with her in this thread.
And, on a side note, I am sick and tired of this "Asperger's Syndrome" as a cop-out for anything that anyone does wrong. How many people here who claim to have it have a clinical diagnosis? And even if they do, that's no reason to behave how some people behave on this forum. I have an anger problem that I've been going to a therapist for, does that entitle me to beat the crap out of someone? No. Is it even a good excuse? Absolutely not. If I were to slit someone's throat because they pissed me off, I'd go to jail and I may even be executed. My point is, it's my responsibility to deal with my problems and not expect to get out of everything because I have a problem. If a person is so incapable of controlling their emotions, regardless of why that may be, then they need professional help in a facility designed to deal with this sort of problem while they work through it. I don't have anything against anyone with Asperger's Syndrome, but using a mental condition to get out of any trouble someone gets in, and even make it look like the accusers are the bad ones because you have this condition, is immature. It's time to grow up and take responsibility; acting like that is wrong. Very wrong.
Exactly.Quote:
Originally posted by Simba '04
if you are sooo tired of this thread then why do you even post in it? I say stay out of it if you don't want to be bothered by it ;)
In the great scheme of things, is this really all that important?
Yeah. Except, they hate my guts, so I don't think that all they did was a joke. :p But whatever. End of disscusion about that.Quote:
For example, you're friends with Suki. Afasik, she's had problems with people being mean to her IRL. I'm sure they do/did it as a joke and to be funny, but does that really make it okay?
Thank you COTP.Quote:
And in the case of Suki, well, that's not exactly the topic posted in the thread, so I won't discuss it.
You know, PBPR, altough I'm friends with you, I am not on your side nor Neph's. (I'm still gonna be your friend after what I am about to type) But I am concerned about what you did to Neph, as she is my friend, even though she didn't know that before until this post. I wouldn't like to be sexual harassed again (see this thread.). Just please change your actions and don't be sexual or whatever you were to Neph, and just apoligize, please!*starts crying* That's all I'm asking...please....just please...http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y19...earfulNala.gif
I agree, just because someone is not as open with their emotions doesn't mean that they dont have or can't feel the same emotions as anyone else. I think that some people look at Neph as someone who doesn't really feel and could care less about other people...when in reality they don't even know her. So don't be saying s*** if you don't know her.
Have you all forgotten Neph's first sentence in the original post?
I mean, she put a smiley....come on...Obviously if she can say 'that'll get him to stop x)', then it's not bothering her that much.
Why? Because she wanted him to stop? Oh yeah, that's really bad.
People react differently to things, just because she didn't type in all capital letters, curse, use too many !s, and have incoherent spelling does not mean that she wasn't bugged by it. If she made this thread, then obviously it was important enough to be an issue. A smiley doesn't depict a person's absolute emotion; I could say that my best friend was just shot and killed, put a x) at the end of it, and I think I'd feel just as crappy
I have to disagree there. That was a hopeful and sarcastic remark, probably from relief. I'm pretty sure that Neph is capable of being hurt. Despite what I said earlier, I don't see Neph as an emotionless statue. She just knows how to hide it well when it isn't important. That can be a very helpful trait for leaders who need to seem impartial.Quote:
Originally posted by ChildOfThePride
Have you all forgotten Neph's first sentence in the original post?
I mean, she put a smiley....come on...Obviously if she can say 'that'll get him to stop x)', then it's not bothering her that much.
I don't know her motives or reasons, but no one can deny that Nephilim has offended people before without showing remorse. Maybe she hides her guilt as well.:hehe:
We can't. This is his last term. Which just goes to show how much you know about this matter, which means you have no right to go around bashing our country's leaders.Quote:
Originally posted by Lweek
To all:
I'm going to leave this topic because I feel I'm going be too much engaged and I wont. Sorry for I wrote. Enjoy 4th, Independance day and please don't vote Bush again. :)
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But that's not the point of this thread.
No, putting a smilie doesn't change anything, I mean heck, I quote Neph:Quote:
Originally posted by ChildOfThePride
I mean, she put a smiley....come on...Obviously if she can say 'that'll get him to stop x)', then it's not bothering her that much.
Well I don't really think this thread needs to go on much longer... PhantomBPR did apologize, and as long as he means it and stops... We can all move on.Quote:
Originally posted by Nephilim
and while I posted it in a humourous mannor to some extent, sexual harrassment online is creepy, no matter the scale of it. I was upset, I did what I needed to. End of.
Aw, crap. Observant on one thing, blind on the other.
i personally think that this thread has gone too far now.
Neph made a valid point, and Phantom did apologise for it, so this topic no longer serves a purpose
mods, could you lock it up?
You're right. Everyone's all, "He needs to apoligize!!", when he did, like.. five times. And now we're just arguing over Neph's use of smiley.Quote:
Originally posted by IchLiebeNALA
i personally think that this thread has gone too far now.
Neph made a valid point, and Phantom did apologise for it, so this topic no longer serves a purpose
mods, could you lock it up?
I think this thread should stay open until the issue is resolved. When Neph feels that it's been dealt with, then we can close the thread. Until then, it's the mod's duty to ensure a safe posting environment; that's what you mods are here for. It's your responsibility to deal with this, not to brush it aside because some people got angry. Yes, your job is to reduce spam and keep the peace, but before all of that, your job is to protect the members of this board from harrassment (sexual or otherwise), from abuse, and from any other form of online abuse. If this thread is closed and Neph's problem is brushed aside, as some members are suggesting, you'll have failed in all aspects to have done the most important job you've been given.
You ask us to give you our general obedience while we post on this forum; if you tell us to quit spamming, we usually quit spamming at that point in time. If you close a thread, we may be unhappy for a bit, but we generally agree that it was your right to close it. If you tell us to back off eachother, we almost always do. But we expect things too. We expect you to deal with the spam, we expect you to lower the heat in the flame wars, and we expect you to deal with issues of harrassment or abuse. Neph is the one who has this problem, she needs to decide when it's been dealt with and the thread can be closed. Not anyone else here. Maybe just saying "I'm sorry" and a slap on the wrists isn't enough; or, maybe it is. All I'm saying is that no one here has the right to say that the issue has been dealt with if she doesn't think it has. If she's cool now, then close the thread, no use in us arguing any more about it; but if she thinks that nothing has really been done about it, then by all means the thread should stay open and the issue dealt with properly.
Hey, you leave our duty alone ;)
Uh.. this thread is quite depressing and full of possible flamibility. The mods are considering closing the thread as it appears to be close to a flame war.
Though I don't believe it will be closed unless an actual flame war occurs or if Neph herself says otherwise.
I think it would be important to note something right here and right now. This is not a debate thread. There is nothing to debate here. This thread is a cry for help, I think some have failed to see it as such.
Anyway, Pnt's right, it's Neph cry for help, if the mods of Lea, those that are supposed to be the guardians of the forum until the Admins return and are given the authority of the forum, silence Neph's cry for help.. would that really be right?
That would be like telling a person to shut up who's screaming for help when someone is trying to kill them (well, Neph isn't getting killed, but you see my point here I should hope..)
I personally would not like somehting of that sort on my conscience... though I do believe that people need to check themselves form now on before they post in this thread (or any other actually).
"So, there it is" ~JP
I don't wanna sound threatening, I'm not really into frivilous threats, but you will almost definately have your flame war if this thread is closed, and we don't want that. All I'm asking is that the thread stay open until the person who started it decides that it should be closed.
And I think it is my right to talk about the mod's duty. If you think about it, we choose to listen to you guys, just like I choose to obey the law. If I decided that you haven't done your job at protecting a friend, I could just as easily choose to no longer listen to the mods. Not saying that'll the case, just saying that we're well within our rights on this forum to talk about how the mods are doing and what we think they should be doing. Keep in mind, also, that I never said a mod has done a bad job, I've just said that every mod who has moderation priviledges over Scar's Lair will have failed to do their duty if they brush this aside. But they haven't yet ;)
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Oh, and I agree with Nuka about this not being a debate thread. It isn't. There's no debate that BPR did something wrong and there shouldn't be a debate that Neph was bothered by it on some level (even though there is/was)
Well I wasn't saying we should close the thread, I don't think that is up to me to decide.
I was actually talking more about the members wanting it closed, but addressing the mods about it, because I had my doubts that the members who want it closed would ever change their minds. The mods, however, seem a bit more level headed and would actually THINK about it before they closed it, so it seemed that you guys were the ones to talk to more directly ;)
I know, that was a joke buddy ^^Quote:
Originally posted by t3h Pntbll-ness
And I think it is my right to talk about the mod's duty.
And indeed it is yours and every other member's on Lea to make sure the mods are doing a good job. If you have a complaint, make one. (Ya know, that's basically what Neph did witht his thread, made a complaint, though it's not aobut the mods =P )
I believe can speak for the others when I say that we appreciate suggestions from the members of the forum, that's why we're mods, to make sure that you, and us too :p, enjoy Lea Halalela and make sur eit runs to the best of its ability ^^
Anyway, that's enough semi-off topicness for now from me.
SEE! YOU ARE A BAD MOD!!Quote:
Originally posted by Ravoc
Anyway, that's enough semi-off topicness for now from me.
You were off-topic, you've failed, you're just a miserable failure! I don't blame you, you always did seem like a failure, but I just wanted to point out how horrible you really are.
:idiot: (Just kidding, of course. I don't think you're a loser either)
I knew it was a joke, I was just building on that regardless ;)
A bit off topic, but it was time for some humor. Loser.
:D
:tears: :( *runs off to cry under his rock* Big jerk xP hehe
Indeed, humor would be good, but lest not make it too long shall we? =P Psycho
:cheese:
*Hugs teh Nuka* Aw, I was just messin :D
Okay okay, back to the issue at hand. I still stand by Neph, of course, so the question is, what do we do next?
provide emotional support? :DQuote:
Originally posted by pntbll248
Okay okay, back to the issue at hand. I still stand by Neph, of course, so the question is, what do we do next?
Man, what does it take to get some sexual harrasment around here?...Here I am all alone while Neph hogs it all....Gah!...I'm going out for a drink!...Don't wait up!.....:idiot: <<<That's what I am...:D
But I agree with a lot that has been said lately in this thread. I agree with Audra that Phantom has apologized, it's up to Neph to accept it. I agree with Pntbll and Ravoc on the Mod thing. I also agree with Pntbll that Ravoc is a Loser...But he's the bestest Loser I know...I am following in your footsteps, Buddy!!....:D :D
Well, since this thread was made by Neph, I think it should be up to Neph as to what happens to this thread. I believe you, Pntbll, mentioned that earlier. And I will support her until she feels that the issue is resolved..:cheese:Quote:
Originally posted by pntbll248
Okay okay, back to the issue at hand. I still stand by Neph, of course, so the question is, what do we do next?
Roog, don't you mean you're "follow[ing] in [my] pawprints"? (okay, that quote was a stretch :E )
And thanky oua ll for the award of the bestest loser, what an honor, I must say =P
Anyway.. there really isn't anything more for us to do in this thread except provide emotional support really. The only real thing we can do is wait for Neph's reaction to all this.
:haha:..I don't even know what I mean anymore...I quit listening to myself about halfway through....:DQuote:
Originally posted by Ravoc
Roog, don't you mean you're "follow[ing] in [my] pawprints"? (okay, that quote was a stretch :E )
And thanky oua ll for the award of the bestest loser, what an honor, I must say =P
And, Man, What does it take to be called a loser around here?!....Ravoc hogging all the insults while I am here with perfectly good feelings that need hurting....Gah!..That's it...I need a drink...Don't wait up....:idiot:...:D
No worries, Roog. = ) Someone's proctologist will give ya a holla.Quote:
Originally posted by lion_roog
Man, what does it take to get some sexual harrasment around here?
:cheese: :rawr: :lol:
:haha:....Ewwww...:pQuote:
Originally posted by SoniqueX
No worries, Roog. = ) Someone's proctologist will give ya a holla.
:cheese: :rawr: :lol:
But I'll save that idea for later, though....:D