Debate: Gay Marriages

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Originally posted by Kovu The Lion
if you want to have sex, it should be without protection, because that should only be shared with someone you'd devote your entire live to, seeing as protected sex is the same as gay sex, You get nothing from it, but what we call ecstacy(Pleasure)

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Um, what? You are kidding right?

Well if that's the case, I should never have sex, because I don't think I ever want kids... (It's undecided for now)

I do agree with you that you should only have sex with the one you love and only them, the person you want to share your life with... But I think it's dumb for them not to use protected sex if they want... Lots of people don't want kids, what's wrong with that? Sex is love making... I don't think there is anything wrong with wanting to share that love, but not wanting to have kids.

@Only-now: You're right; it's not gonna change my mind, but I am interested in what you have to say nonetheless.

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Originally posted by A-non-a-mus
I agree, sex should never mean 'pleasure' ... for if it does, it's likely to not be about love atall... just some desire... with gays... there's no reason for sex... most people will confuse sex for 'love' or has some "if you love 'em you have to have sex with 'em" thing... but no... if it were true love, it'd not need to depend on sex... unfortunatly, for gays, this means they are more like good friends rather than a couple. Thus is not really built on love, rather, merely a lust or strong desire... or perhaps there's a missing hole you are trying to fill, yet can't for some reason. Thus resorting to sex...

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Again, not what I was saying at all. No, I don't think you should have sex simply because of pleasure.. but I am not saying that gay sex is pointless either. You're right, love shouldn't depend on sex.. but I agree with Sharifu.

And "good friends"? Buh? So.. relationships are not based on sex, but if you don't have sex, you're just friends. Riiiight.

Two guys or two girls can have just as much of a loving relationship as a girl and a guy.. just because they're the same gender, it's automatically not love, just lust? Maybe it's because it's late, but I'm not really following this.

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Originally posted by Kovu The Lion
if you want to have sex, it should be without protection

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Uhh, I disagree and I agree with Fu'ey and Sombi on this one.

I know people who use protection for having sex mostly because they don't want kids yet--they do it for love making instead. I don't blame them either. You don't have to have sex with or without protection. It just comes by preference and choice really--like for example, if the couple want a baby then try plan A (without protection) but if the couple doesn't want a baby then try plan B and use some sort of protection.

If you get what I mean?

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that should only be shared with someone you'd devote your entire live to

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But yeah, I do agree with what you said about only having sex with the person you love and them only.

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Originally posted by Sombolia
You're right, love shouldn't depend on sex..

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Yeah, I do agree with that. But still I think it's a good idea to use protection, for the reasons I said before.

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Originally posted by Sombolia
Again, not what I was saying at all. No, I don't think you should have sex simply because of pleasure.. but I am not saying that gay sex is pointless either. You're right, love shouldn't depend on sex.. but I agree with Sharifu.

And "good friends"? Buh? So.. relationships are not based on sex, but if you don't have sex, you're just friends. Riiiight.

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not quite what I was trying to say... I know sex isn't pointless, ... yet also I know it should be the end result... shouldn't have sex until you complete the triangle of love first...

and about the ''good friends' thing, I didn't mean it like 'no sex = no relationship' ... nono, What I ment was more along the lines of, good friends can enjoy being around other friends, eat together/etc ... and even so much as hug... however, what more can a gay whom doesn't go for sex do? ... smooch? ... invade the other's personal space?... really there's not much more they can do.. as 'good friends' do... (apart from smooching, etc) that's what I ment to say ...

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Originally posted by Sharifu
Sex is love making...

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not true... you can NOT 'make' love, love is just there... though, I know what you mean to say 'sex is an end result of a show of passion and love you share for the other' ... In my opinion, that's what it should remain as...

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Originally posted by Sharifu
Um, what? You are kidding right?

Well if that's the case, I should never have sex, because I don't think I ever want kids... (It's undecided for now)

I do agree with you that you should only have sex with the one you love and only them, the person you want to share your life with... But I think it's dumb for them not to use protected sex if they want... Lots of people don't want kids, what's wrong with that? Sex is love making... I don't think there is anything wrong with wanting to share that love, but not wanting to have kids.

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Mkay you disagree, so you say now

that if you want to show your love to someone, you have sex with them Cause that is so what I got out of that post ;)

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Originally posted by A-non-a-mus
not true... you can NOT 'make' love, love is just there... though, I know what you mean to say 'sex is an end result of a show of passion and love you share for the other' ... In my opinion, that's what it should remain as...

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Yeah, I didn't mean that sex makes love... I never meant that at all. I am glad you see what I mean though.

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Originally posted by Kovu The Lion
Mkay you disagree, so you say now

that if you want to show your love to someone, you have sex with them Cause that is so what I got out of that post ;)

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No no no. -_- That is not what I meant at all. You can show love lots of ways without sex.

Let me ask you this, what if someone stays together with another, even gets married, but the couple doesn't want kids? So you think they should never have sex? (If they want to have sex, I was never saying people have to have sex to show love) -_-

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Originally posted by Sharifu
Yeah, I didn't mean that sex makes love... I never meant that at all. I am glad you see what I mean though.

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yeah, I just was clearifying that in case any other may not have seen what you ment...

I always cringe everytime I hear sex refered to as 'making love'... it really goes to show the one saying it really has no idea what 'love' is if that's what they think makes it ...

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Originally posted by Sharifu

No no no. -_- That is not what I meant at all. You can show love lots of ways without sex.

Let me ask you this, what if someone stays together with another, even gets married, but the couple doesn't want kids? So you think they should never have sex? (If they want to have sex, I was never saying people have to have sex to show love) -_-

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If you are a christian, No I don't think you should, for god made sex possible for one reason, to make a future generation, not to show love, or have pleasure, even though that brings it.

if not, oh well.. Do it lol, Though I have no problem if people do it, I don't classify it as right, I'd rather just go along with teasing one another.. as that's funner anyways ;)

Because gay people don't have protected sex? That's a new one on me!

You know, I think people make too much out of sex. At the end of the day, it's just sex. Hell, do it because you enjoy it and the other person consents. Just be careful. :secret:

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"Do it because you enjoy it and the other person consents." sounds like sex wouldn't need to be based on love. In my opinion, (and as said before) sex is something special you should only share with the person you really love. Not try out various peeps to see "which one's best" or somethin. Variety's not akways the spice of life.

Thus I think gay marriage is wrong (though I have nothing against gays or lesbians, they can do whatever they want) because I can't imagine how there could actually be something like love without/before sex.
If it's just about having equal rights as straight couples, then I don't mind. Isn't there something which gives homosexual couples those right but without actually being married?

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Originally posted by Neola
"Do it because you enjoy it and the other person consents." sounds like sex wouldn't need to be based on love. In my opinion, (and as said before) sex is something special you should only share with the person you really love. Not try out various peeps to see "which one's best" or somethin. Variety's not akways the spice of life.

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Hmm... interesting. Sex is a primordial urge. You can't blame people for wanting it. I do agree on one thing, it is special; oh indeed...

Well, if it's a primordial urge, it surely is not an urge of the pleasure sex brings but of reproduction. Thus you shouldn't have sex without protection otherwise it would be senseless, right?

So, if you think sex is something special, why do you come up with this whole primordial urge-thing? Isn't that a little contradictory?

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Originally posted by Neola
Well, if it's a primordial urge, it surely is not an urge of the pleasure sex brings but of reproduction. Thus you shouldn't have sex without protection otherwise it would be senseless, right?

So, if you think sex is something special, why do you come up with this whole primordial urge-thing? Isn't that a little contradictory?

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You yourself will have to find out 'why' it is special. Reproduction is a pleasure to live on forever. Use protection if need be, sterile or not; there are diseases out there, though protection isn't a guarantee.

Marriages...why not? men/woman marriages? why not? lesbian marriages? Why not? Gay marriages? Why not? I don't think it makes you that different or special if you are in any of these so called "groups", it's just which characteristics you prefer in your partner...I loooove men, I'm obsessed with men, but hey, If I just happened to like a female better and wanted to spend the rest of my life with her...again...why not?

As to sex, I believe we had that debate already going on in some other thread and I seriously don't get it why some can't understand that sex is many times "just sex" like Neph said...even if you love someone, you don't always have the oh so movie-like, so sensitive-all-over-in-love sex ;)

I agree with it, because... well, listen to this.

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WARNING: Contains Adult language

You should warn them, Monai...adult language, remember :bleen:

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Originally posted by Zaya
As to sex, I believe we had that debate already going on in some other thread and I seriously don't get it why some can't understand that sex is many times "just sex" like Neph said...even if you love someone, you don't always have the oh so movie-like, so sensitive-all-over-in-love sex ;)

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'sex' is not 'just sex' it's what comes at the end ... the end result, last in line... it is something speacial, that two share when they wish to start a family... and a strong show of passion adn love one feels to the other.

also movie-like is completely fake... that's one of the main things that promote the 'wrong' way to being in love with someone, and does in fact not come from love or even show it... movies are one of the main reasons 'sex' is thought so little of.

You say it's that, someone says it's that.

You can't really change an opinion of someone, and you can't really argue about an opinion (meaning, that if this person believes in his/her opinion).

And if you do, we can still be going at it till next Christmas.

And how did we end up with talking about sex anyways.
Thought this thread was ment for something else.