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Originally posted by Only-now
What exactly IS the problem on the board here? What exactly needs to change? People keep saying "Oh, the mods are being abusive, etc" okay...so what WOULD you like the board to work like? Maybe instead of pointing out every instance in which a mod did something you didn't like, give an idea on how to improve what you don't like.
KTL, on EVERY thread ALL you do is criticize mods, and pretty much every single one of them. The majority of your post is pointing out how the mods are failing, but you FAIL to help much at all. STM is right that it is the responsibility of ALL members to make judgments about their own behavior, etc. Apparently, A LOT of people are lacking that ability. Mods ARE supposed to moderate, but only in the situation where there is an argument, flame etc. It is IMPOSSIBLE and WRONG for the mods to have to watch over EVERY single topic and thread. Apparently, the people on Lea are NOT as mature as once thought if the mods DO have to do that. People should be able to solve some problems themselves, and the fact that that isnt the case leads me to believe this is one of the reasons mods close threads so quickly. No one here CAN solve problems themselves, and when they actually manage to, and the mods have closed the thread, it is unacceptable. I think that the members set the stage, and the mods act on it...it is a mistake to close the thread, but they used their judgement based off of what the members set up over the months and weeks before.
I REALLY fail to see the huge problem with mods here, and it seems to only be perpetuated by Pnt and KTL here. I don't see many other members that are outraged, or unsatisifed. Personally, I think you guys are doing more harm than good. You say that mods are allowed to make mistake, yet when they do, you connect each one together like it is a trend when it isn't. Nathalie makes some mistakes, Neph is a little harsh, Sonique closes a thread, etc. Then you just link all those together when they are completely seperate, and make it seem like it is a forum problem. You LOOK for something to point out that is wrong. I am not someone who agrees with the mods every time. Sonque has made me disagree with him, same with the posting in closed threads, but you guys are taking this way too far and making this a much less enjoyable place to be.
~Kiva
Oh hell no you didn't. I'm not getting to far in here, but all you can do is read this:
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Kovu The Lion
But the word Mod is probably used to describe more good than bad, thanks to the so called "Reputation' The moderators are putting upon themselves. And some are doing an EXCELLENT job, and its just a select few that are making mistakes, and making the members use once again "The Moderators" and the mods once again think. "I havn't done that" or "When did I do this.." when the member was actually trying to convey the point to someone directly, but can't because they can't say a members name or they'd get in trouble.
and I've also stated PLENTY of times that I'm with the mods on many decisions, But some I just don't find constitutional, or right and what the hell and who the heck gave you the permission to call me out like that, with crap that wasn't even true? I'm not turning this into a flame war however. But if you want to know what we are fighting for. Read the thread Kiva.
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Kiva
You LOOK for something to point out that is wrong.
I wonder what you're last post just was..
If I were like you in certain situations, I would report you so badly for that post.
And as already said this is what we want done:
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Pntbll248
Moderators -- Are you willing to:
1. Respect the concerns of the forum members and try to work with us to come to a solution. Likewise, don't argue with eachother forever and eventually not do anything.
2. Not use personal grudge or emotion in making a moderating decision. Use reason and a level-head when dealing with a possible rule infraction.
3. Allow the members a decent chance to solve their own issues and respect that everyone on this board is capable of coming to an agreement on his/her own ability. Realize that we are all human, and we are all capable as human beings of both making mistakes, and correcting them therein.
4. Not close a thread and then add a personal remark, reply to another board user, add your own opinion, or otherwise say something that would normally be replied to. Likewise, not post such things after a thread is closed.
5. Respect that you are not our mommies and daddies and it is not our obligation to obey the mods, only to obey the rules.
6. In no way otherwise abuse the power you have as a moderator or use it in a way that is sarcastic, personal, or out-of-proportion to the issue at hand.
7. Be forgiving in certain situations, even in rule infractions. The purpose of a "Warning" is not to bring a person closer to banning, but to help them avert such a action being taken.
8. Realize that you are able to have this forum continue like clockwork given less-than-perfect conditions, such as the absence of an administrator (or other moderator) or other situations. Finally, you do not need to run everything by Mufasa.
Members -- Are you willing to:
1. Realize that the mods as a whole mean well for the forum.
2. Realize that the mods are also human and just as capable of mistakes.
3. Be forgiving when a moderator does something wrong (but not outrageous), as the moderators will be equally forgiving when a member does something wrong (but not outrageous).
4. Realize that the moderators are trying very hard to provide a good posting environment for all the users of this board to post in. Likewise, if they are constantly told they're doing badly, that's going to hurt them like it would any other person.
5. Be willing to take care of your own posts, as the job of keeping order does not rest solely on the staff. This includes taking your personal issues to a private means should you feel the need to argue about something in a way that would be breaking a forum rule. Keep in mind that that harrassment through PM is just as bad, if not worse, as harrassment in a thread or post.
6. Be willing to bring up a concern in a mature and polite way, instead of throwing insults or otherwise acting inappropriately.
7. Be willing to not hold grudges either, as the moderators will be returning the favor.
8. Be willing to give the staff the same respect you yourself would expect to be given.
9. Be willing to use that decent chance to resolve your issues with someone before a thread is closed to actually resolve you issues with someone before a thread is closed.
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Only-now
It is IMPOSSIBLE and WRONG for the mods to have to watch over EVERY single topic and thread.
I beg to differ, I read every post thats made in lea because its a slow forums and theres nothing else to do. Try doing stuff before you talk bud.
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No one here CAN solve problems themselves,
Which is why we have asked the mods to try and change themselves, also stating that we the members would change. I don't know where you have been bud. But a LOT of members harass the Mods, either it be on the forums, or in a PM, It HAPPENS. And I'm sorry that you don't want to agree with us and our problems here, that you are just so fucking perfect and you don't see the real atmosphere of these situations. If you read I swear you would find other members who would agree, like W-eyed-wanderer. But nah, you'd rather post you're own opinions and attack others with stuff that aint true Right?
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You say that mods are allowed to make mistake, yet when they do, you connect each one together like it is a trend when it isn't. Nathalie makes some mistakes, Neph is a little harsh, Sonique closes a thread, etc. Then you just link all those together when they are completely seperate, and make it seem like it is a forum problem
The reason I do, Because if I can give examples, maybe people unlike you will start to see that there is a problem here, and that it does need to be solved and that it is affecting people. If not the whole forums, but a few select people that care
~KTL