I'm not proud, but I accept that I am and am content with that.Quote:
Originally posted by Nephilim
Hm. You know... I really have nothing against humans. Just individuals. Am I the only person here proud to be human?
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I'm not proud, but I accept that I am and am content with that.Quote:
Originally posted by Nephilim
Hm. You know... I really have nothing against humans. Just individuals. Am I the only person here proud to be human?
I'm an extra-terrestrial. o.O :idiot:
http://students.washington.edu/jlovric/xeno1.gifQuote:
Originally posted by Sonique21837?
I'm an extra-terrestrial. o.O :idiot:
I don't "hate" anything except "hate" itself. My opinion on hunting is the same as Endless Night's opinion.
Which was...Quote:
Originally posted by John
I don't "hate" anything except "hate" itself. My opinion on hunting is the same as Endless Night's opinion.
Which was this:Quote:
Originally posted by Xinithian
Which was...
Source:Safari Club InternationalQuote:
Originally posted by Endless Night
This thread is bothering me.
You guys have every right to be outraged by hunting, but you should get your facts straight about hunting and conservation.
And at the risk of coming off as a total ***** but speaking as someone who's actually an active part of conservation in Africa, I can safely say SCI has done a hell of a lot more for wild life than any of you here *****ing about them.
Conservation has got nothing to do with one animal, it has to do with wild places. Because of trophy hunting the wild place is more valuable left as a wild place than clear cut for lumber or grazed by cattle. So by hunting one or two types of animals, you preserve a thousand other plants and animals. In Africa privately owned game 'preserves' where they allow trophy hunting are the largest undistrubed habitats for a variety of animals and how they are sustained. Government parks are another major player but they come and go with government stability and health and need income to maintain fences, staff, etc. that they often don't have.
It's true my speciality is Sable Antelope(which SCI have an appreciation for http://www.safariclubfoundation.org/sables/) but I know the true nature of conservation is that you have to save the whole. So people trophy hunt Sable in areas where the populations are stable enough to allow it, and that area is perpetuated as Sable habitat(and by extension all the other creatures that also live there) as long as it's profitable to leave it that way.
Trophy hunters pay big bucks to go and hunt on safari.
The people who outfit and service safaris are local people who have a steady income from it. That means they don't have to be lumberjacks, or farmers or depend on bush meat to survive. They stop being a factor of habitat loss.
Trophy hunting HELPS conservation. What wipes out species in this day and age isn't trophy hunting. It's local people in poverty who have to eat bushmeat(including endangered animal like primates and antelope) or starve, and have to be farmers to survive and so introduce livestock with foriegn disease and who over graze and out compete wildlife, and who are lumberers to make money and clear cut land. Anything that can create income for local people and preserve the wild place at the same time is a good thing not a bad thing.
At Phala Fala we encourage people to go on Safari armed with a camera not a gun, since you get the same benefits to the local economy and local wildlife without the death of an animal. But we know trophy hunters as a community are tremendous partners in conservation and preservation, and we vaue them for their efforts and conservation.
Commercial hunting ranches and canned hunting ranches are a different story, but they do help in a way. They provide clean blood lines for species survival programmes, who are otherwise desperately inbred. Although AZA zoos cannot buy animals from non-AZA sources, private donations of animal can be a lifeblood for animals with few in numbers in zoos. The Sable Antelope in North America is a good example of that dependance on private ranchers for viable new genetics. These ranches also provide animals for relocation back to their wild habitat, research into vetrinary care and taxoxnomy of animals to be applied in Parks and Zoos, and public awareness. Most animals on game farms live in better conditions and with a better level of care than in even the best zoos. Rather than live in a 1 acre paddock at a zoo harassed by people daily, they live in a 60-100 acre enclosure demormed and vaccinated once a year and otherwise left alone until shot.
I get so annoyed when people go off about trophy hunting without knowing the facts. And I get really annoyed by people who seem to play favs, like it's okay to hunt antelope but not say lions. Lion are so overpopulated they have to castrate them in zoos, and cull them in parks. I'd rather see someone come and hunt a lion, spending $8000 in the process that goes partly into the pockets of local people and keeping that wild place profitable, than a game warden in having to go out and shoot it because there's not enough room or food in the park. Same with a Sable or Zebra, or even a wolf, etc., in the same situation.
I will never trophy hunt, because that's my personal belief, but I'm not so ignorant I ignore the contribution trophy hunting makes to conservation/preservation.
Point Taken...:ayecapn:
EN really widened my perspective on the issue of hunting. It's definitely tempting to wish that her statement 'Trophy hunting HELPS conservation' was not true, but, in the current economic climate, the money is needed in Africa to promote the quality of life for the native peoples, and, as a result, curb human overpopulation and prevent bushmeat hunting, which benefits the local wildlife population immensely.
I wish she were still on these forums. :(
I dislike our race. but not for this... if they are eating these animals then why worry? if it's just a game shoot 'em back...
My family hunts, but we use what we get from the animals Mainly white tail deer and phesant/bird... it's the game of life everyone does it. Lions, bears, spiders. the web of life type of crap.
I don't believe in hunting at all really, mainly because all we have to do is go to the grocery store and get something there. Yes, that is killing too. But the one at the grocery store are going to be killed anyway, the one in the woods has a chance.
idk, it's probably just me though.
If you couldn't get to a grocery store or didn't have money or anything.. than, that's different.
Speaking of grocery stores Nuka. Did you see that Travel Channel special on certain stores? OMG fudgin' eww, the delicatessen handlers, when they were packaging meat products and by products. This, is what they were doing; smoking, drinking, flicking the ashes in the assortments, scratching their arses and testicles, that and having no gloves on. I was like man, if I was there, if I seen that nauseating, vile act, my shoes sideways would leave an imprint the size of NY stadium. (and that's just being kind to the comparative, what I would really do) An outrage of enormous proportions would succumb. Well, anyway, back to comprehensively music listening.
Meh, as long as my meat tastes good....:D
A delightful Food Lion special. ^^ :DQuote:
Originally posted by lion_roog
Meh, as long as my meat tastes good....:D
Never tried lion....:DQuote:
Originally posted by Sonique21837?
A delightful Food Lion special. ^^ :D
Food Lion the grocery store. XD :bleen:Quote:
Originally posted by lion_roog
Never tried lion....:D
Hmmm...well that would make more sense...
But I still want to try lion....even though I don't think the lion will appreciate it much, and it'll be difficult sneaking up on him......:D
Time for my opinion.
Hunting for sport isnt exactly the most productive or for that matter, logical thing in the world. Especially when you consider endangered species and dwendling populations.
Hunting for food however is perfectly fine by my standerds. Even the good book says that. (Animals were created to service man.)
Done.
I didn't say I wanted to eat it...just try it....you know....take a little nibble of the tail or ear while they were sleeping....that's why I say I don't think they'll appreciate it...I never appreciated my guinea pig taking a nibble of me.....:DQuote:
Originally posted by SimbaTheLion
:yuck: That thought makes me feel sick LR, mate :yuck: ... Lion on a plate :( :eek: :yuck: !!! I know your were being funny, but I have a strange urge to beat anyone who wants to do that seriously senseless. Not a nice thought >.<...
What puts lions above other animals?Quote:
Originally posted by SimbaTheLion
:yuck: That thought makes me feel sick LR, mate :yuck: ... Lion on a plate :( :eek: :yuck: !!! I know your were being funny, but I have a strange urge to beat anyone who wants to do that seriously senseless. Not a nice thought >.<...
Good point there Neph, they are probaly pretty high in the food chain but that doesnt mean they are the ultimate animal...I dont think there is one :E
Hmm, I've never eaten lion before...are they even edible?
The idea of the "ultimate animal" is unique to each person. Barring humans from the catagory, I'd personally pick the shark as the ultimate animal.
Hmm... perhaps the 'ultimate killing machine'. Though, crocodilus makes a nice opponent.Quote:
Originally posted by Wicked
The idea of the "ultimate animal" is unique to each person. Barring humans from the catagory, I'd personally pick the shark as the ultimate animal.
:cheese:
What about hippos? They just kill and kill...Quote:
Originally posted by Sonique21837?
Hmm... perhaps the 'ultimate killing machine'. Though, crocodilus makes a nice opponent.
:cheese:
More like the 'ultimate psychotic machine'. :eww: :lol: ;) XDQuote:
Originally posted by Xinithian
What about hippos? They just kill and kill...
:lol::lol::lol::lol:
The butterfly is the ultimate animal.
Noone suspects the butterfly. ^^
Sloth, baby....he moves in mysterious ways...even though it may take him a few days to do so.....:D
That's from a Simpsons episode... I can't remember which one though....Quote:
Originally posted by Nephilim
The butterfly is the ultimate animal.
Noone suspects the butterfly. ^^
Thought that looked familiar....:D
Ya call this slow?Quote:
Originally posted by lion_roog
Sloth, baby....he moves in mysterious ways...even though it may take him a few days to do so.....:D
http://mag.awn.com/issue6.12/6.12images/donkinice06.jpg
And yes, that is the Simpsons. :D I quote it endlessly.
This thread really made me depressed. Have yah guys even tried to sosialize ? Seriously... Your behaviour ticks me off.. What more can I say? I doubt that anything can express what I'm thinking better than this Youtube video...
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Ok. Thanks:)
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HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! OMG...amazing video. XD ((wonders what this threads about)) ..oh no..
Saddening, This thread will be locked in about lets say, 10 minutes max thanks to that. And the way the board is now grown to "don't post anything hateful" lol.
That link by the way is stupid, You are responsible for whatever you say, and whatever you put on here is your responsibilitiy so now that youtube video is your responsibility. and i hope you get banned for it.
Kovu
This thread remind me of my sandwich two years ago. And yes, still in the fridge :evilgrin:
Did you read what she said? She doesn't hate all humans, just those who kill needlessly. And I know you're new here, but please don't bump old threads. And, advising people to commit suicide (even if it is just a joke video) isn't exactly a good idea. Remember, it's a Lion King forum, so kids will visit occasionally. I have nothing against you, and I hope I didn't offend you. I certainly didn't intend to. I know you need to get used to the board a little. Introducing yourself in Pride Rock is a good start. =)
Wow, necro'd two full years, almost to the day.
Sad too, one of the few threads of this nature that wasnt locked.
Oh, and please dont feed the trolls.
I can't stand people that are like "put there are people that can't afford food..." They can apply for food stamps then. And if they are that poor how did they afford that gun? :confused: I had neighbors like that only they hunted for thophies and called themselves Christians. "But God gave us "dominon" over the animals". Then again I lived in Hickville so almost everyone was like that. :eww:
And a king has "domion" over his subjects but does that mean he can hunt them? He would be overthown if he tried. And times have changed since 200 years ago before the conveince of a super market.
Eh, I'd rather hunt and eat deer who've had a chance to run free and even possibly evade me than go to the supermarket and support the meat packing industry.Quote:
Originally posted by Kalahari
= And times have changed since 200 years ago before the conveince of a super market.
Aside from that, ye gods this is an old thread. What's with all the necroposting that's been going on lately, particularly in this lovely thread that's overflowing with positive sentiment?
*blinkblinks*
I don't undertsand humans either.
I don't mind hunting, as long as they are not just doing it for the animal's head or for fun. I don't mind it for food, but for fun? that is just sick and cruel, I don't care what you say.
And kill the animals off quickly isntead of killing them slowly. I hate people like that even more.
Meat packing industry is animal crutly by itself. So are dairy farms. I think it's wrong it eat meat or animal products period.Quote:
Originally posted by Wicked
Eh, I'd rather hunt and eat deer who've had a chance to run free and even possibly evade me than go to the supermarket and support the meat packing industry.
Aside from that, ye gods this is an old thread. What's with all the necroposting that's been going on lately, particularly in this lovely thread that's overflowing with positive sentiment?
*blinkblinks*