You forgot my sig, too...:DQuote:
Originally posted by Suki
Roog has on his gender 'Male...wanna check?'. That is just....odd.(no offense you two, BTW)
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You forgot my sig, too...:DQuote:
Originally posted by Suki
Roog has on his gender 'Male...wanna check?'. That is just....odd.(no offense you two, BTW)
I didn't get to vote, bah. Here's my opinion.
The only mod I have a problem with (besides the inactive ones) is Nephilim, for what she did to PhantomBPR. She could have put him on ignore, not call him out in front of the entire forum.
I really have no problem with the current moderators. Like multiple people have said, moderators can get out and enjoy the real world too you know so they have as much right to get out and enjoy theirselves as much as we do.
Anywho, I voted 4 stars--I feel the mods here do a good job in keeping the forum in order and sorting out problems that they/other members come across so good job everyone. :)
Some of the more inactive mods lurk the boards (but don't usually post) so I don't really think that's much of a problem. However, I still feel we could assign some new moderators (temporary if need be) to do the job/s whilst the other mod/s are away or wherever. *shrugs*
Trust me, would've if I had wanted to. =PQuote:
Originally posted by lion_roog
You forgot my sig, too...:D
Hmm.. the last mod ratings have been quite a while back, further than I originally thought even :E So yeah, I believe it is indeed time we get another rating since it's been over a whole year =P
That middle one would be me. And I never did get the chance to apologize for such rude behavior to you and to Sonique as well I believe was the other one, due tot he thread being closed. And yes I know I could've sent a PM or something, but meh.. that just didn't seem right *shrugs* So, I am going to take this chance right here and now to apologize for myself and making an idiot (could use a different word there heh) out of myself on several occasions, letting my emotions overcome my respect for others. That is indeed one of my faults. However,t hat I believe did take place qute a while back, even so, I apologize to both you and Sonique for that. And to anyone else I might've offended in that or other threads.Quote:
Originally posted by Wicked
I especially didn't appreciate a few select times when I saw moderators say (not in the exact words but it was the gist that I got from what they did say) "sit down and shut up" or ?if you don?t like it, get lost? to both myself and some other forumers when we voiced disagreement with the way certain things were done.
Of course everyone is subject to poor judgment, mistakes and being emotional from time to time...I just wish such things were handled better by some staff.
As for the communication issue?it could just be a misread on my part, but I don?t know?if it appears that the moderators don?t know what each other is doing, it doesn?t inspire much confidence. :\
*shrugs*
As for the communication issue, there are some instances that the mods do not inform each other of some of their actions, I believe almost (if not every) mod has done 'something' at sometime without informing the others first. However for the large part we do ask each other first, such as what is appropriate and what isn't for this board before we ask others to change their sigs, avatars, or we edit a post.
The mods and admins all think very, very hard before we ban a member. We try to give them time to change themselves. There are some, like Phantom however, that just plain refused the offer.
Contrary to popular belief, the mods don't sit around int he Promontory and talk trash about everyone else. The only thing we talk about is possible improvements, threats tot the well being of the forum or its members, and which one of us won't be here for a certain amount of time.
If we do talk about you in the Promontory though, you will have already have been notified by us that the mods are paying close attention to you because (enter reason here), and that they'd like you to stop doing (enter problem here). We're not conspiring against any one =P
I just wanted to say that for my fellow mods, and I'm done now :E
I'm not going to shoot anybody. Everybody is entitled to their opinion, and if they feel they were wronged, then by all means confront us. I am glad you questioned my actions, Suki, as it shows you care about the site.Quote:
Originally posted by Suki
I'd say good.
I'm sorry Roq, but you are doing good with your new postion as a mod, but you seem to be a little....how can I put this...too defensive.
I still do not get how that one icon I put in my sig (I'm not going to give the link, cuz it'll probably be deleted), that Raven/Robin...thing(I have nothing against those shippers,it is meant as a joke *the icon*), is against the rules for 'innopropriate language and suggestive content' while you see Dan saying 'buggernuts' and 'cock' all the time and Roog has on his gender 'Male...wanna check?'. That is just....odd.(no offense you two, BTW)
Actually, your sig was reported to me. The way your animations scrolled, I would never have noticed it myself. I know that Roog's siggy is suggestive, but he used it for awhile before I came mod, so I assumed he has OKed it then. As for Dan, I already warned him once. If I do catch him again, he will be dealt with accordingly. You are not the first person I have PMed. That is why I made the reply about cussing in Fuzzy's rules post in this forum.
The structure of Lea was a mess at the time, and Nephlim did what she had to do to get the forum leaders attention. Yeah, it was a little extreme, but it was nessacery. She could have put him on her ignore list, but that would have been unfair to her. There is absoulutly no reason she, or anybody else, should have to deal with that kind of harrasment in this forum, and it was the mods' job, not her's, to make sure it didn't happen.Quote:
The only mod I have a problem with (besides the inactive ones) is Nephilim, for what she did to PhantomBPR. She could have put him on ignore, not call him out in front of the entire forum.
That just reminded of somthing that happend about my sig.
A Mod told me to shorten down my Sig because it had too many lines of text, i do understand this and fully took it in and changed my sig accordingly. But there are still members which still has more than 5 lines of text and nothing has been done,
I just feel i was being picked on.
yeah, i have kinda gotten annoyed by that too. i dont think it has to do with being picked on, but i think that if someones sig is too big, it needs to be taken care of.
I understand what you are saying, Roq. However, had this situation been handled by me I would have first placed Phantom on my ignore list, and if I felt uncomfortable after that, odds are I would have emailed Mufasa and Sarabi.
However, that is just me.
Hmm....I see. But I'm sorry, I am still confused about something.Quote:
Originally posted by Roquivo
I'm not going to shoot anybody. Everybody is entitled to their opinion, and if they feel they were wronged, then by all means confront us. I am glad you questioned my actions, Suki, as it shows you care about the site.
Actually, your sig was reported to me. The way your animations scrolled, I would never have noticed it myself. I know that Roog's siggy is suggestive, but he used it for awhile before I came mod, so I assumed he has OKed it then. As for Dan, I already warned him once. If I do catch him again, he will be dealt with accordingly. You are not the first person I have PMed. That is why I made the reply about cussing in Fuzzy's rules post in this forum.
If it is against the 'rules' that cussing is disaproved, why do I see others cussing as well(i.e. f word)?
yeah, i do see WT- alot here..
No offense at all to you COTP, but i'm curious as to what you would've done if Mufasa and Sarabi never responded?
Also, I must say because of this fourm I learned the f word at age 11. I am still ashamed of this fourm that they would say that for we know little ones come here too at age 11 (or 10, you never know). *holds 'Shame On j00' sign*
EDIT:
Personally, I think we should not allow swearing here. I do not want 11 year olds learning the f word like I did.
No offense taken, Nuka.
I would have just put PBPR on my ignore list. Bam. Had the same effect as banning him, I wouldn't have had to edal with his messages.
*chuckles*Quote:
Originally posted by Nuka
That middle one would be me. And I never did get the chance to apologize for such rude behavior to you and to Sonique as well I believe was the other one, due tot he thread being closed. And yes I know I could've sent a PM or something, but meh.. that just didn't seem right *shrugs* So, I am going to take this chance right here and now to apologize for myself and making an idiot (could use a different word there heh) out of myself on several occasions, letting my emotions overcome my respect for others. That is indeed one of my faults. However,t hat I believe did take place qute a while back, even so, I apologize to both you and Sonique for that. And to anyone else I might've offended in that or other threads.
Actually, I wasn't even thinking about that once instance...I'd forgotten about it until you just mentioned it.
:lol:
I actually think you DID send me a PM sometime around then, but I've since deleted it. Oh well, no matter and no need to apologize...I'm waaaaaay over it.
:)
But, while we're apologizing, I'd like to apologize too. I realize that I can be quite overly blunt and opinionated and that rattles peeps nerves from time to time. I mean no offense by it.
Well, maybe just a little.
:evilgrin:
[SIZE=small]just kidding![/SIZE]
As for the whole PhantomBPR thing, that happened when Neph wasn't a moderator...so it that's more of a personal dislike reason as opposed to Neph being a bad/inept moderator, right?
What I meant was, if she calls someone out like that, then it says a lot about what she will/is like as a moderator. However, maybe I'm wrong.
Quote:
Originally posted by Suki
Also, I must say because of this fourm I learned the f word at age 11. I am still ashamed of this fourm that they would say that for we know little ones come here too at age 11 (or 10, you never know). *holds 'Shame On j00' sign*
EDIT:
Personally, I think we should not allow swearing here. I do not want 11 year olds learning the f word like I did.
You should not have been on this forum at that age, you're supposed to be 13 or older according to COPPA (I'm pretty sure this server is hosted in the US or Canada).
But anyways...
COTP, I don't see your point about Phantom. Nephilim is a member in good standing with the forum, she was sexually harrassed by a mean little pervert and she defended herself. If there had been an admin at the time who could have dealt with the situation, then maybe it would have been different; but should'ves, would'ves, and could'ves don't apply to this situation. Besides, I think the forum needs to know when we have a member does something outrageous like that on our forum so that we can be aware and try to avoid that person at all costs. But, for sake of argument, if someone were to quote Phantom and he had made an obscene or sexually harrassing remark, Neph still would have been exposed to that and thus she wouldn't have gained anything by adding him to her ignore list.
When I was here the first time, no one mentioned that, so, you're on your own.Quote:
Originally posted by pntbll248
You should not have been on this forum at that age, you're supposed to be 13 or older according to COPPA (I'm pretty sure this server is hosted in the US or Canada).
I'm sorry to dissapoint you, but not all 11 or 12 year olds are from the US or Canada.
Right, but the server is based in the US or Canada (if my memory serves me correctly), and thus is subject to the Children's Online Privacy Protection Act, a federal law shared by Canada and the US to protect children online by basically not allowing them to be online without expressed written permission and guidance by a legal guardian. Hence why you can't post on Livejournal, as you've said before that you're not 13 and can't post there. It's more of a forum problem than your problem. I'm not saying that the forum should ban all 12 and under members, of course, but I am giving a heads up that something may need to be done that would cover the forum's butt in case someone decided to make something of it.
If somebody quotes a message by PBPR, then whoever had a problem with it could just go "okay, it's posted by him", and scroll down. That's what I do.
I think there's 50-50 about Phantom sexual harrasment,
50 to this post - I mean if Neph doesn't make any action to Phantom he might disturb other people too.
50 on this post - But the action that Neph taken is alittle rush(no offense Neph) but I guess the situation end long ago and take it as a lesson(No sexual Harrasment or harm to another member & must take action alittle more less hummiliated)
ps: But I'm looking forward Pntbll discribe about the actions :)
Well basicly as far as I'm concerned I'm koolsem with the mods and got no beef against any of them.
As far as them doing there jobs no ones fully perfect but they are doing satisfactry jobs so congratulations there to all of them.
As for the ones that are currecntly inactive eg// STM yeah I'm suprised how they are still under as a mod and it should be straightend out so that we can replace them. Because its stupid to have them still down if they aren't here to do the work when there are many people on this forum who could.
Anyway as far as the Phant thing goes I think we should stop talking about the past because its dead and burried; hes banned from the forum now and its off topic to what the thred is about.
If you mean the actions to be taken to cover lea's butt, it'll mostly involve adding a terms and agreements page (if there isn't already one) onto the sign-up page on lea saying that you certify that you're 13 years of age or older, and if the person isn't, having a form for them to print out that'll have their parents signature, which can then be copied and faxed or emailed. That's what most sites do.
As for the current members under 13, I'd say that they can be left alone for now, I don't think it'll cause a problem.
Hmm... there seems to be many big/unresolved issues at foot here. I wouldn't have guessed there was.
I think that Lea Halalela is fantastically moderated. So four stars, like the Westin hotel!
I saw some lines about the signatures.
I can't view every single sig out there ... Sometimes other people have to tell me or another mod.
Which is great, in my opinion, because that makes me feel really good that there actually are people out there who do read the rules unlike some others, where you have to say the banner rules 10 times and point out every single thread where they are stated (I believe we have 6).
We're not super people, we can't spot everything :)
I think the mods are doing a good job as they can on this board, they are only human and they have not become dispassionate tyranns who complains about every little thing.
Its hard work to try to be liked by everyone while you have to keep order at the same time.
I also think its unecessary to bring up the PBR event again since it was discussed alot back then its in the past and the mod staff got complaints back then, that bridge is crossed in my mind.
and there is no conspiracy going on in the promontory, well atleast it wasnt while i was there :E
and as a avarage member of lea i feel content with what we have right now
This is just my point of view of course and im not attacking or even hinting anything against everybody i just wanted to say my two cents :)
We're really not that pressive when it comes to signature lengths (unless it's a monstrosity of a one <-/-> though we should be; being Rule 1 and all.......).Quote:
Originally posted by This land
That just reminded of somthing that happend about my sig.
A Mod told me to shorten down my Sig because it had too many lines of text, i do understand this and fully took it in and changed my sig accordingly. But there are still members which still has more than 5 lines of text and nothing has been done,
I just feel i was being picked on.
Unless you're new and/or have a reading incapacity, there's no reason on why you shouldn't be able to follow that rule, really.
Sorry that you felt you were being picked on, but the truth of the matter is, you weren't.
As a matter of a fact, we wouldn't mind others to try and set a simpatico example to the best of their abilities.
:)
I think you guys are doing A Ok. I myself havn't seen anything majorly out of order on here in ages, then again I havn't been around for some time.
But ya make me proud, makes me want to become a MOD........*thinks about it* actually scratch that last bit.
I have no prob with the 'staff' in my books you guys are doing A okay ;)
I think the current moderators are fine, I haven't noticed any problems recently, but I haven't been on the site as much in the last couple of months, due to moving house and internet problems. The only thing I have to say about the mods is that I think some of them maybe take things a little too personally. Not mentioning any names, just giving honest feedback. So I don't have a problem with any of the mods, or their decisions, just that some can be a bit too easily offended sometimes.
There's room for improvement.
I would never be able to be a mod, since I'm too hot tempered, too rush, and too *****y. I think that if you're given the opportunity to become a mod, you need to be kind of self critical.
Do I fit as a moderator? What are my qualities, what are my disqualities?
Am I being a mod becase I wanna help the forum or my friends?
A mod who look after their friends before everything else is a good friend but a bad mod.
If you accept the offer to become a mod (or if yo ask for it, I don't know how it works), you should understand that at the same time as there is positive things to it, there's negative things to it. And you'll just have to deal with it.
If every mod is going to look after, favorize and protect their own friends we won't be able to have a serious discussion without it getting closed down becase of such loose basis as disagreement.
I'm not saying this is happening, bt someone said something earlier in this thread about putting your friends before an internet site. But your responsibility as a moderator should mean the opposite. At least that's my opinion. If I'm getting it all wrong then tell me.
Just some questions, how are the mods picked? And what qualifies them to be moderators? Are they picked becase they're popular members, or because they make valueable posts?
I'm not trying to bash the mods or insult them, I'm jst curious abot how things work around here.:)
Mods don't get picked because they are popular, but because the person who picked them think they will do a good job.
Back then when the first group got chosen, there weren't even enough members around to pick out popular ones.
And I don't think I'm really all that popular around here.
Or, until then, there can be a disclaimer for the General Chat section, since that's the only forum where you'll run into mature content. It should be rated PG-13. The rest of the forums should be all ages, but the general chat section should definetly be rated PG-13.Quote:
Originally posted by pntbll248
If you mean the actions to be taken to cover lea's butt, it'll mostly involve adding a terms and agreements page (if there isn't already one) onto the sign-up page on lea saying that you certify that you're 13 years of age or older, and if the person isn't, having a form for them to print out that'll have their parents signature, which can then be copied and faxed or emailed. That's what most sites do.
That doesn't protect the forum from COPPA laws though, they're put there to basically prevent contact with a minor (especially personally identifiable information, which would include age, name, location, etc...) through any medium on the internet. They're not there to keep children under 13 from accessing crude content, they're there for keep children from accessing virtually any content or communication without a guardian's consent.Quote:
Originally posted by Xinithian
Or, until then, there can be a disclaimer for the General Chat section, since that's the only forum where you'll run into mature content. It should be rated PG-13. The rest of the forums should be all ages, but the general chat section should definetly be rated PG-13.
Here's what I think of the moderation staff; and what we're here to do, this includes myself and Boos...
Not only are we responsible members like yourselves, but we're responsible leaders as well... We're not perfect, we've made mistakes to only improve on them. We try and try again to suite everyone's needs of comfort-level to the best of our ability. We're here not to dictate your actions foresay, but to offer one's peace of mind; with the confines of the simplistic of rules.
We're here not to serve you in any way, only to guide you along a pre-destined path.
We don't always get along with each other, but most of the time we do. We help each other solve problems, basis to basis. We try and settle issues equally (the voting system works quite efficiently).
The moderation staff was picked out by personality, being trustworthy, and most importantly; being wise (that's what I think, neewayz).
I can't think of any other moderation team for a forum board that's as caring and well-grounded as Lea Halalela.
Hey, make the last-half of that entire sentence above for everyone here at LH ....
=)
Hmm well... I made a topic about how I wouldn't be able to go online much at all over the past month. I'll try to be on more after this next week, I'd like to, but sometimes I still have problems with my laptop, but at least I can use my dad's laptop sometimes now, since he's back from Florida.
And about STM, Roquivo, STM isn't moving, I don't know why you thought that. Plus STM isn't leaving Lea, he told me many times that he couldn't do that, because Lea has done so much for him. I don't think STM would care if he's a mod or not anymore, I don't really think that's so important to him, but he will come back. Another reason he's not online much recently is because he's here with me, and you all know I couldn't get online much here.
Personally I think things are ok here, this is the best board I've ever been to and I think the mods are doing fine.
About that "age 13" matter...
If kids wanna join a board, they just lie about there age sometimes if you can't register under 13.
And how are we able to really check if that person is so old that he claims to be?
It's still the forum's job to ask... that's a law you know... there's no matter of opinion on it. If the server is in the US or Canada, and if someone says something to the webhosting company or the company finds out on their own through random website searches on their server, the forum will be shut down, and frankly, they couldn't care less what anyone on the forum thinks about the law. I mean, there's nothing to argue about... it's the law.
I know that.
This thing was mentioned before (I believe by you? Or Roquivo. Can't remember).
I thought Sonique answered it, and knew something about it.
I was under the impression that COPPA only pertains to the collecting of personal information of minors?
We had a discussion about that (sort of) back when we were debating about the new Mod vote...Roq brought it up.