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Originally posted by Nephilim
Darkslash's point was that you can't tell someone what to think. If someone has racist thoughts, that's fine; if someone has homophobic thoughts, that's fine; however, the problem only arrises when those thoughts turn to works and actions which offend, harm and hurt others. No one has to be tolerate, they just should just keep their prejudices to their selves.
Well, I have just as much of a right to tell people I find their thoughts to be intolerant as other people do to make intolerant statements/have intolerant thoughts.
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Originally posted by Katari
SpiritWolf77: Look, if disagreeing with other people's values and lifestyle choices is a sign of hatred, and a bad thing to do, then kill me now, please, because this world isn't worth living in anymore. Look, just because I feel moral qualms about what other people do doesn't mean I hate them or want to kill them. Did my post imply hatred to you, perhaps? It's not like I've never known any gay people before.
In fact, I could well accuse you of hatred towards me, for accusing me of something I'm not guilty of. But I won't, since hatred is not something I practice. And, must we term all dislike as "hatred" in the first place?
Oh, and my condoning or not condoning blacks is rather a moot point -- blacks are people, just as human as whites, Asians, or whatever ethnic/color group you want to bring up. Gays are people, too, but it is their lifestyle that makes them different -- people that hate gays do not do so because they are black or white, typically, but because they are homosexuel. There is a difference between those two forms of prejudice.
And waddya mean, "If she said"? :eek: I think it says very clearly in my profile that I am male. :cheese:
People can think whatever they want, okay. Think what they want about me, think what they want about gays, about blacks, about whatever. But the law doesn't govern thoughts, only actions. And, while I do think there is a morality connected with thought life, I don't think it can be regulated by the government, the courts, or anyone but the individual doing the thinking.
I have absolutely no hatred for any group. I just disagree with some groups on different points. Is that so bad? Have you never disagreed with anything before?
Anyway, I didn't mean to turn this into a discussion of gay=right or wrong. That's not the point of the thread, and I hope nobody gets too offended with me over my own viewpoints. I don't get mad at yours.
Peace out.
Well, first of all, since you're making dramatic comments like "Kill me now," I'm not sure you're avoiding getting mad at my views...but whatever...
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Originally posted by Darkslash
And being straight is no different than being black or gay or white. Kumbaya!
Dividing people based on sexuality, race, or a multitude of other factors is a bad idea, which comes back to the point of this thread. Writing special "hate crime" laws will not solve a "police bias" or a prejudice on behalf of a segment of population.
Agreed.
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Originally posted by Only-now
I think people look at hate crimes the way they look at racism. A lot of people will actually claim that blacks can't be racist agianst whites because they are a minority. The same would go for some people when looking at hate crimes. If a gay person decided to kill a straight person...because he was straight...some people wouldn't want to label that as a hate crime, when it is one in fact. I am not accusing anyone of that here...just pointing out that fact..and that it is a very bad misconception.
I see that a lot around here and it drives me insane. "Reverse" racism is still racism. I wish more people would realize that.