Rules...

[Wide Eyed Wanderer]

I've seen a few examples around the site of people implementing the 'rules' fairly strictly over the last few days. While I accept that the forum needs a few rules to keep things running smoothly I fear that when there are so few members it sets a dangerous precedent.

The reason I left the original Lea forum back in 2006 was the 'Us & Them' culture that had developed, with too many mods enforcing the rules as they saw fit. I can see why the idea of having lots of mods may seem like a nice way of rewarding your mates on the site but really, the amount of people here right now we don't need any more than 1 moderator.

One of the other forums I frequent has literally thousands of members and only 3 mods. What they say goes, but they only post when necessary. Perhaps, if there's a rule that needs to be enforced (i.e. if it is breaching legal or personal boundaries) someone could have access to a 'Mod' account. That way there wouldn't be any personal resentment towards members who appear to have more power than others.

Frankly, petty law enforcement when the forum is this small is the sort of thing that will kill it off before it even grows.

I should add, this isn't a personal attack on anyone, it's just a heads up to something that could be a problem in the future. Too many mods spoil the broth.

[Azerane]

I understand what you're saying in regards to the number of member's we have, vs the number of mods as we really have far more mods than we really need. Though on the same count, if something were to happen, we've at least got people in practically every time zone to cover it, but not everybody is always going to be on either and not every mod can mod every forum. But I think that's pretty irrelevent seeing as how we're all pretty relaxed here anyway and honestly, it's rare that we ever have to do much except shift a thread around or discourage a double post or something :p

If there's an 'us and them' culture here, I don't notice it but I'm sorry if there is. I honestly really haven't seen too much modding going on, just shifting threads around, merging threads, a couple of casual reminders of not double-posting or chatting in threads (which we all seem to do regardless :lol:) since lea's come back to life. The only 'strict' thing I can think of is the decision not to allow posting other people's art in the art thread, which I thought was a fair decision. But before I became a mod, I never saw any segregation on lea between people in that regard and I never have afterwards either. But maybe that's just me.

Anyway, kind of rambling a bit. Basically, I understand we have quite a few mods, probably more than we need but you never know. I think in getting the forum set up again, a few rule reminders and modding actions are only naturally going to happen. If it is something that really is concerning you, even any specific examples, feel free to bring them up or send a PM to any one of us. We don't want to over-do our job. At least I know I don't. As it can break a forum down. I'm not power hungry, I don't get a kick out of telling people if something is a little out of line, in fact, I'm not that fond of it because Lea is a fairly tight-knit forum and I feel like I'm being mean when I do say things like 'please don't double post' etc. I just want things to run smoothly, like everybody else.

[Sombolia]

I do agree that the ratio of mods to members here is a bit excessive, but until it becomes a problem--which honestly I haven't seen, and I don't think will ever happen--it's nothing to worry about.

[Sadiki]

I do understand your concern about having too many mods and admins can be an issue. Especially if one goes mad with power. but we haven't really added too many mods here. Yes me, Fuzzy and Vidan are all new admins. I personally can't be anything but admin as in order for me to run Vbulletin here I have to have an admin account. Of course I could make another account that wasn't an admin but Super mod as I used to be but I do think that is rather silly. What comes to Vidan, he used to be a mod and he was helping me to clear some thoughts as well as will be helping me on getting Lea back on track as well as has an access to the database to make backup data base and all that stuff so we wouldn't have to start from scratch again. Fuzzy being an admin also helps as he knows way more about coding than I do and also if he went mad with power all he would have to do is close the server and we wouldn't be able to do a thing, luckily I know he would never do that.

Azerane and Sharifu have been super mods longer than I have so I don't see why we should be dropping them off and same goes for Wicked, King Simba and Teekay ( if he ever joins back ) So basicly only one who in the staff who never been part of it is Kanu and adding her had nothing to do with rewarding one of your friends.

I do admit we do have quite excessive number of moderation team compered to regular members, but sooner or later the forum will grow and also I don't really see harm on having good staff around helping to sort things out. At least I haven't seen any abuse from anyone. If you do, you can always report them.

What comes to rules. Well yes those are basically to cover our butts indeed. Would be rather sad if someone posted material that is not allowed for age groups that the page is designed for and we would be shut down because of that. I cannot see what you mean by being "strict" about rules in past few days? If something any of the staff members have done has made you feel it's unnecessary or if any of our rules is not necessary, you are allowed to discuss about it. I do think Leans are rather understanding so you should be able to state your mind rather openly without being bashed.;)

[Wide Eyed Wanderer]

I can understand that a lot of our mods have been mods for a long time, but it seems that more than half of the members are mods right now! This forum could run with a single admin at the minute, and I think there's very little that would be done here that could even lead to anything close to the site being shut down.

Anyway, obviously it's only me that seems to have a problem with it so I won't press the issue.

[Aurelian]

It's hard for me to read this without burning up inside. I'm not going to say anything here for fear of sounding petty, putting down an innocent person, or jumping to conclusions about something I am unaware of, but STM, I think you need to talk to Manda about a discussion me and her had shortly before the old Lea went down, and you should figure out why I feel like I have been slapped in the face. I am afraid I am getting upset over nothing, so please PM me when you two have discussed this. Thanks.

I have nothing more to say about this topic at this time.

[Nuduli]

Well, I suppose I should, speak up. ^^;; As I still don't really know anyone on Lea really well, I'll admit, it's a wee bit intimidating to make new threads some place even after reading rules and seeing so many staff members. I sometimes can't help but wonder if I'm going to be told 'not do this' or 'not to do that'. Er, no offense meant of course!

[Sadiki]

I'm still rather confused about the subject rising. 1 Admin on forum is not very good way to run a message board. Yes there is places that do that, but in example if both old lea's would have had only one admin on them, we would haven't had any protection against hackers or spammers or anyone who wanted to cause problems as the last 2 main admins were never very active on board. Same goes here, I'm not going to be around all the time, in example in just couple of weeks I'm going on a vacation for 2 weeks and if I was to be the only Admin around well if something happened during that time, well the place would be a mess when I get back. Also when it comes designing and all that, having more than one person work on the site is more than helpful. I knew nothing about Vbulletin, took me 106h to redesign and learn just the basics and get the place running and if I have to do everything that has anything to do with improving the site on my own, that will take way too much time and energy.

Also I never thought moderators or admins are intimidating if anything they are there to help to maintain the forum and keeping things in places where they belong, more moderators mean more eyes watching and finding things that need to be fixed, not that you are under constant supervision by the big brother.

Feral, I'll make sure to talk to Amanda and will happily PM you once I done so, It might take a while thought because I believe she is at work right now.

[Nuduli]

Also I never thought moderators or admins are intimidating if anything they are there to help to maintain the forum and keeping things in places where they belong, more moderators mean more eyes watching and finding things that need to be fixed, not that you are under constant supervision by the big brother.

Well I do understand they are their to help, which is always awesome, just sometimes it only feels that way. Not that they really are. Again, no offense, I just thought I'd put up my own little thoughts. I don't wanna start anything of course. But knowing that you're not always under constant supervision, is rather relieving, lol. It's just a thing I get at times when I'm on a big board and don't know anyone. So, now, I'll just, um, leave the thread. >.>

[Kihari]

I'm guessing that the number of staff here was something held over from Lea's younger and somewhat wilder days, but personally I don't have a problem with it, despite being rather an outsider here when I'm not just showing up to stick my oar in.

As I don't have much invested here (apart from the fact this is the last remaining TLK community I'm likely to be a part of), it would be no skin off my back to let someone know, in no uncertain terms, that they're being a massive prick. :evilgrin:

Which I really don't see happening, so there we are.

Also, it's certainly a good thing to have people in every timezone on duty, especially while the site is under construction and all the kinks haven't been worked out.

[Wide Eyed Wanderer]

As Nuduli said, my problem was that when there are so many mods everywhere telling people what they can and can't do that the forum stops being fun anymore. That's what happened on the old Lea.

I'm just highlighting the way it could be perceived by new members; we need to break away from the clique-y nature of the last incarnation of the forum. Anyway, I've made my point.

[Guntur]

Indeed, don't hate me but I hope there will be no more clique-y or elitism attitude around here and act as one. I'm okay with the mods and "popularity" type of thing, but when people splitting other people when it comes to attitude and opinion? I doesn't work well and people will eventually left as there's a lot of "I'm leaving" thread popping around.

Like I said, don't hate me from posting that but I think we all learned this type of mistake for 7 years so technically there will be no problem for all of us.

[KanuTGL]

I can't help but take some offence here. I decided to not allow people to post someone else's art in the thread called "Post your TLK fan-art!". I have seen a few too many artists rage over people using their art for anything without their permission, even if given credit, to feel comfortable with that. Is that unreasonable? I wasn't being dead serious about "what I say goes. Mwahahaha", which I thought the smilie would indicate... >.>

Anyhow. On one hand, I can see how it's a little odd to have so many staff members, but on the other, I haven't seen it cause any problems before. At least in all the years I've been on Lea and I was only offered to be made a section mod a few days ago, hah.

Also, to my knowledge, if you don't actively seek out the list of staff members or look at the "personal titles" of the staffers who haven't changed theirs there is no obvious way of knowing who is on staff and who is not. When I first started posting on Lea it took me quite a while to figure out that some people were actually Mods xP So it's not as obvious who is in charge on this forum as it is on, say, Proboards.

Also, the staff have to follow the rules too :idiot:

[HasiraKali]

I am so confused. This popped up overnight (literally for me).

I do see your point, WEW. There are quite a few mods on here, and while it's nice to have more eyes on things, it probably isn't really necessary at this time. We can work on consolidating and moving mods around. I'll talk with the staff and STM aboug it. I do agree with you.

Feral: I PMed you.

This is for everyone: In the moderator section, we have a thread which we post in whenever we do anything. This includes simply moving threads. It's kind of become procedure now. I've even posted in there when I've simply followed a member's request for a title change or deletion. It's a way for us to check each other and make sure no one goes crazy on the rule enforcing. I'm not saying someone couldn't just not post in there, but a log is made of everything, and I promise that if anything become suspicious it will be taken care of.

We also discuss the decisions that would affect y'all the most before we actually implement them. Closing Mt. Kilimanjaro to only admin posts is one such example. That forum is for forum announcements, and after discussing this, we decided that most members really didn't need to post in there. Rafiki's Tree is for questions, which is where a lot of the posts in Mt. K ended up being moved to anyway.

As far as rules, really the only rule should be: Don't do stupid stuff. Posting links to bootleg material that could get us shut down is stupid. Posting porn links or images on a message board dedicated to a film which (let's face it) is for kids is stupid. Fighting and name calling on the internet is stupid. So... don't do stupid stuff. :p

[Dare]

Eh, for the record...

I'm not on the staff because I'm "friends" with any admins, or because I'm "popular" - I actually consider myself to be somewhat of an outsider here, even though I've been a member of Lea since late 2003. I don't talk to Lea members outside of the forum and I don't even post here that often...the people that I've met here that I consider to be actual friend friends aren't even members anymore...

Though I'm sure nothing in particular was aimed at me, it does hurt to feel that folks on the board may feel that I'm on the staff not because I'm good at my job and truly have the best interests of both the forum and the rights of the forum members at heart, but because I happened to know the right people.

At any rate, if anyone feels like I'm being/been a toxic power-hungry harpy and not enforcing the rules as they are written, by all means feel free to approach me directly.
I promise not to bite - if anything, I'll actually respect you more.

[Sadiki]

I'll talk with the staff and STM aboug it.

:lol: Hey I'm still the same guy! And if you say "but with power!" I swear I....... :haha:

But yeah even if I got admin rights, constructed the board to this point it doesn't change a thing. I am the same person I was a few weeks ago. That I have chance to edit the appearance or any of that stuff doesn't make me any less effected by the forum rules. Yes I cannot be banned really, but I know better than that to follow the code. And as HK said we do keep log of what we do where most of the time people post things they have done around the board as we don't want an incidence where someone goes and deletes months worth of post without first discussing about it.

Basically I want to say that it's good that people do let the staff to know their concerns and what bothers them or to know what might be an issue. But I also want to insure you all that we are not here to keep you from posting or stating your opinions but mostly to help you, correct your mistakes and pick after you guys if needed and I do must also say that we barely ever have to do that, but when we do, it's good that there is most of the time one or more staff members around to answer those questions and / or issues that you may be concerned about.

[Vidan]

In my opinion, I think this discussion a bit premature, since we're still hoping other members of the previous Lea incarnations find their way here. The mods now were mods previously, and the ones that aren't super-mods only have access to a limited number of forums. So, effectively, you have ~ three mods for any given forum. You could argue that the admins are also mods, but they are really here to set the tone during Lea's rebirth and fix technical issues.

Personally, I don't intend to, nor want to, moderate anything. Primarily I'm here to assist with technical issues and backup the database regularly so we have an extra copy.

[Aurelian]

Azerane and Sharifu have been super mods longer than I have so I don't see why we should be dropping them off and same goes for Wicked, King Simba and Teekay ( if he ever joins back ) So basicly only one who in the staff who never been part of it is Kanu and adding her had nothing to do with rewarding one of your friends.

I think this is exactly the clickyness people are refering to. For the most part, the people you listed have done a great job, but Teekay, as much as I respect him, has been highly inactive over the last couple of years and in my opinion has not been a good mod. The fact that he has been listed as one forever does not qualify him as a good one. I know that nobody wants to deal with firings in such a well behaved forum, but removing Teekay might be a step in showing that we do not play favorites, as well as lessening the intimidation factor.

Wicked, I know how it is to feel like an outcast because you don't know anybody irl, like many here do, but that doesn't make you an "outsider"(unless you are refering to Zira's pride, in which case it's personal preference. lol)

The issue I brought up earlier has nothing to do with rules or the quantity of mods here. It is a personal misunderstanding, or so I hope.

[nathalie]

I can't read the whole topic right now, but I did read some comments.

I’ve been an admin on Lea since end 2004/ beginning 2005, and for 3/4 years (can’t remember things exactly) the only admin around.
I made decisions of making mods super mods, making super mods admin and asking for new mods.

Each of them, I asked them / “upgraded” them for their skills, their on-line time, etc …

NONE of these people were made staff-members, because I just happen to like them so much, that I wanted to do them a favor or anything!

(so yeah, some comments actually did offend me just a little bit, because I too made people staff-members)

And everyone started out as a regular mod.
No one just became an admin or super mod, every “higher” staff-member had to get through the same road starting out as a mod. Even I was a mod once (and I didn't even really knew Mufasa...).

I wasn't around much in 2007 - 2009, but I trusted Amanda as admin and all the others to make good judgements.

I don't quite get all the commotion to be honest.
Lea has always had a good amount of mods.
Specially due to the fact because everyone is from everywhere.
We usually made sure that when the US was asleep, Europe was awake if something should happen.

[Sadiki]

For the most part, the people you listed have done a great job, but Teekay, as much as I respect him, has been highly inactive over the last couple of years and in my opinion has not been a good mod. The fact that he has been listed as one forever does not qualify him as a good one. I know that nobody wants to deal with firings in such a well behaved forum, but removing Teekay might be a step in showing that we do not play favorites, as well as lessening the intimidation factor.

I can sort of see where you're coming from with this. But then again he has not even joined now so technically he is not a moderator. I know I have listed him on Forum rule section, which is pretty much copy and paste from old board. And I'm sorry I don't understand where people get the idea of us playing favors to the people. I never talked to Wicked out side the board and most people who are mods now been moderating the board longer than most people have been around and been chosen by Mufasa during the first Lea, I really don't understand why we should be dropping someone off just because the place got smaller, I just see no logic in that what so ever.

Also Nathalie made valuable point as we need someone around from round the world. And really if someone does realize that there is some sort of power abuse around here, please report it to me or another admin. If it's an admin report it to another admin. We don't play favors to people when it comes to running the board even if there is quite a few people in the group who knows one another.

But I can remove Teekay from the list, there is no problem with that as I doubt he is coming back, haven't seen him around in the longest time, thought with that logic I should not be part of the board either as I have had over 6month periods not checking Lea at all, but if someone has told me there is trouble I have always come to check it out. So yeah we can talk about this till the end of time but I don't think there is whole a lot of point to this.

[Wide Eyed Wanderer]

I want to make it clear again that my original comments were in no way aimed at anyone in particular; I also want to say that I never made the accusation of 'jobs for the boys' when it comes to moderation. My original point was about the number of mods we had and that perhaps we should go easy on the rules for a while until the forum gets a little bigger.

There has been no abuse of power for quite some time on Lea, but as anyone who has read my various posts in the last couple of weeks could see, I'm thinking about the long term future of the board. As I said in another topic, the Blu Ray release is likely to see an upsurge in members. Maybe not as much as 2004 (it is another 7 years on after all) but there are still likely to be more than we've had in the last couple of years. I want to see the forum prepare for this in the best way possible and make a few changes to the way things are done and perceived around here.

As a regular member there is very little I can do except highlight potential issues and try to open people's eyes to the problems and perceptions that may occur. I may not be considered one of the 'old guard' but I was a very regular member on the first board, and saw it disintegrate into petty arguments, favouritism and power-hungry moderation. This happened once and it could easily happen again; that's what the purpose of this topic was.

If anyone's been offended personally then, well, you misread my comments. Otherwise I'm sorry if the issue is causing consternation but I feel the forum has to be set up right for the future, and this is the best time to do it.

[Sadiki]

Hmm well we do take these thing in consideration, but I'm really sorry if I don't see what the fuss is about. I do agree it's good to think a head. Not forcing the rules from beginning thought is out of the question. Rules are rules and they are there for everyone. I don't think any of the rules are that hard to follow and I don't see anyone going to over board. To be honest I'm quite curious about what triggered you to make a thread like this? Was it closing down the Mount. Kilimanjaro from the public? If so I'm informing you that we are talking about making the forum post-able for everyone, but not allowing them to make threads, why? Because it really is a forum for announcements and news considering the forum and people were using it previously to ask questions and such where the correct place for that would be Rafiki's tree. If the trigger was statement about not posting other people's art in "post your TLK fan art" it's really because that art does not fit in description of "your", if one wants to post someone elses art they are more than welcome to start a thread dedicated for showing art from other people as long as that artist is not against their art being posted elsewhere. The third thing I do have in mind what may have triggered this thread was to make Kanu a moderator which by far is feel like the biggest issue here by what people are saying. Well I can't really think of better people than we have to watch art threads than the ones that we have. KS, Kanu, Azerane and Sharifu all are artists and know quite a few artists that draw Lion king fanart and probably are one of the most knowledgeable about if there is an artist who doesn't want their art posted or if someone is trying to post someones art as their own when it's actually not. Admins... well Fuzzy and Vidan are here mostly to get things running, both know more about coding than I do. Nathalie and Amanda are both original Admins so there is no point on dropping them. So that all comes down to me really. Yeah I could give the Vbulletin for someone else I suppose, go back to super moderator or even just a regular member, but I don't really see any sense in that. But yeah basically I'm just very curious about that.

[Sharifu]

I don't really understand the problems arising from this thread... Yes there are a lot of mods and admins right now compared to the number of members, but this version of Lea Halalela is barely even a week old, of course there is not going to be a lot of members yet. But I do think it's good to have a few mods and admins from different time zones so there is almost always someone online to fix a problem. Really, I am not a moderator because I am part of a group or click or whatever. I rarely ever use my mod "powers", all I ever seem to do is every once in a while move a thread for someone or edit the title of a thread because the person who made the thread asked a mod to do it for them because they can't edit it themselves once it has been posted. I could of became an admin when this new Lea was created, but I wouldn't know how to use the admin features anyway. So I definitely don't care to have "higher" status then every one else, but I don't think any of the admins here became an admin for that reason. They just care about Lea Halalela and want to make sure everything is ok with the forums. I never tried to be apart of a group or click separate from the regular members. I always thought of Lea Halalela members as being very close to each other even if they are admins, mods or regular members, I'm not sure why having this many admins and mods is a problem, at least on Lea where everyone seems to be so nice to each other. STM becoming an admin I think is a good idea since he recreated Lea Halalela and understands how to edit things here. If it weren't for him, I still don't think we would have a version of Lea Halalela up anymore. When the first Lea Halalela went down, no one knew how to recreate Lea, that's why it took so long for a new version of Lea to be made and Simba 04 had to find and pay someone who didn't really even care about Lea to make it. I appreciate Simba 04 though for getting someone to recreate it, but now that the second version of Lea Halalela is gone, and I'm glad STM is the one who recreated this Lea Halalela, that way we know for sure there wont be another Lea "death". I will make sure of it, I go to Lea pretty much every day, so if there is a problem, STM will know about it. :p But I think I am rambling now... :lol: Well I hope people got my point I was getting at.

[Sombolia]

I was a very regular member on the first board, and saw it disintegrate into petty arguments, favouritism and power-hungry moderation. This happened once and it could easily happen again; that's what the purpose of this topic was.

I still don't understand exactly what's going on here... I know nobody wants to point fingers, but could you go into a bit more detail about what you're referring to? Because I don't remember any of that happening, but then again, I tended to go through long periods of inactivity, so I don't know.

I do remember we had a bit of drama way back on the original board, but I haven't seen anything like that for years.

[King Simba]

Alright, I'm a little confused too, but I don't really see any problems with this "mods vs. members" thing. Everything I was gonna say has been pointed out already. I don't feel any better being a moderator than a regular member. It's a honour, but really, I don't feel I'm better than any other member just because I have mod powers. I'll close/move a thread if need be, but only if it gets out of hand. Maybe you should provide some examples of what you're referring to, like Somby said.

I can see your point about there being a great number of mods for the size of the forum, but I really don't think it's such a big problem. Lea will grow in the future, and so it's always better to have mods on hand in different time zones to deal with any problems.

[Wide Eyed Wanderer]

I still don't understand exactly what's going on here... I know nobody wants to point fingers, but could you go into a bit more detail about what you're referring to? Because I don't remember any of that happening, but then again, I tended to go through long periods of inactivity, so I don't know.

I do remember we had a bit of drama way back on the original board, but I haven't seen anything like that for years.

It was the original board I was talking about, there was nothing like that on the last board.

I wanted to raise some points and warnings about potential issues in the future, but everyone's taken it to be an attack on the forum as it is. Whether I explained myself incorrectly or people are just being overly defensive I don't know.

Frankly I said my piece on the last page and it's clear that nobody else sees any issue so I'll just drop it.

[HasiraKali]

Eh, it's the internet, people will always misinterpret something. :p


Personally, I'd like to thank WEW for being concerned about the board. It really shows that this board means a lot to many people. I think that's why it got relocated so quickly after the outage just a few weeks ago. I'm glad you are concerned for the future. :) WEW, if you have any suggestions for things that we can do to be ready for the possibility of a member rush with the Bluray release, please feel free to PM or MSN me! :D


As for the mod population, I think it's going to stand as is for the time being. It's really not a big deal at the moment, and I think we need to focus on getting things up and running the way they were and fixing anything that needs fixing. After that, we can worry about staffing and see what needs to be done. :)

Again, you all bring up valid points which will be taken into account when more decisions are made. And again, anyone feel free to PM myself or any of the mods/admins with any other concerns, suggestions, comments. They really are appreciated and taken into consideration.

Thanks, y'all! :hugs:

[Wide Eyed Wanderer]

Thanks Manda :)

[Dare]

Wicked, I know how it is to feel like an outcast because you don't know anybody irl, like many here do, but that doesn't make you an "outsider"(unless you are refering to Zira's pride, in which case it's personal preference. lol)

Hehe, please don't get me wrong - it's not that I feel like an outcast (though that feeling is by no means foreign to me). I meant more along the lines of...well, by my definition of what a "friend" is, there is no one here that I would honestly consider my "friend" and vice versa. This is not something that bothers me or makes me feel uncomfortable in any way, nor does it mean that simply because I don't consider someone to my friend, that must mean that I don't like them or will ignore them if they need help, etc.
;)

At any rate, I just wanted folks to know that I wasn't "rewarded" for being anyone's "mate".
:lol:

But Wicked's stratification of her online relationships is a whole 'nother Oprah apart from the (now apparently settled?) original topic, and I have nothing to say about the mod cliques/conduct on the original Lea nor the amount of mods we have now...but on the subject of enforcing rules (at least those stated in the Rules thread), I shall try not to be petty when enforcing them though I do believe that they should be enforced. There's no point in having rules if you're not willing to back them up...of course there's no reason to be a jerk when you're enforcing them either. I don't understand that mentality, both in online forums and offline with police, etc.

I shall go *poof* now.
Ciao!

[Juniper]

I don't think we'll have as many problems as we did on the first lea because I'm slightly less of a butthead now. Slightly. Just be cool, there aren't any problems going on, no one's causing issue at the moment. In fact, I propose a new forum rule: "Just be cool."

[Guntur]

I don't think we'll have as many problems as we did on the first lea because I'm slightly less of a butthead now. Slightly. Just be cool, there aren't any problems going on, no one's causing issue at the moment. In fact, I propose a new forum rule: "Just be cool."

Reminds me of John Travolta film. :p

Yeah, Even though I have a lot of acquaintance in this forum it would be better if we all cool regardless our status of friendship or power!

And again, this might refer to Gwen Stefani's song. :lol:

[Sombolia]

In fact, I propose a new forum rule: "Just be cool."

I like this rule.

[Aurelian]

I don't think we'll have as many problems as we did on the first lea because I'm slightly less of a butthead now. Slightly. Just be cool, there aren't any problems going on, no one's causing issue at the moment. In fact, I propose a new forum rule: "Just be cool."

Oh, please! You wern't the only one, Pnt. I was quite the immature emotional wreck back then. I used to but heads with Nephilim constantly. Now I miss her to death.(Sadly, she hasn't written in her LJ in ages, though that's not to say I have either, so I no longer have contact with her.)

Then, I left Lea for awhile at end of the first board due to a huge fight with Dani, though we made up later, and are on good terms now. We all have done much growing up in the last 8 years since Lea was born.

[TeeKay]

Since at least part of this thread is to do with me personally I thought I should say a few words.

I honestly have no idea where this idea of clickyness between the mods and the members has come from, I certainly never thought of myself any anything more than a regular member and never saw any evidence of any of the other mods feeling any different, also I have little, if any, contact with anyone outside of the board. granted, back on Lea Mk.II I rarely posted, that's a fair point. But that shouldn't be confused with inactivity, for what it's worth I visited the forum pretty much every day and kept on top of everything that was happening.

Yes, it does seem a bit redundant at the moment having more mods than members, but the site is still only a few days old and more people will be joining. I've not yet been re-instated as a mod but should it be decided necessary I'll happily continue to be one. However is this is really an issue for some people, I'll just as happily step aside, the last thing I want is to cause members upset.

This forum, throughout it's many incarnations, has been the one I've been a member of the longest, I think we have a fantastic member base and I really enjoy coming here, I had no idea some members thought the way they do about this.

[HasiraKali]

I'm closing this thread at the request of the OP.

Thanks,
~HK